Given that Kandi has threated to close the threads of other various topics that seem to constantly drift back to Bush Bashing, I thought it might be a good idea to open up a thread specifically for the Bush Bashers, where their words of wonder can be properly debunked and dispatched.

I'll preface the thread by admitting Bush has a certain je ne sais qua about him which really seems to crawl up the liberal *ss and eat away at their brains. It is almost the anti-force of what Obama exudes, which soothes the liberal nerve and actually causes fainting amongst the true believers. Perhaps it is Bush's struggle with the English language, coupled with his ability to get Congress to play along on almost EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. Perhaps it is his insistence on being the person he is, rather than the person the liberal media want him to be. Whatever it is, its humorous to watch. The effect is so great, fabrication of facts in an effort to smear him has become common place. So common place, it often seems the obvious fabrications are accepted as truth by many of the party faithful, no matter how far fetched the fabrication.

That said, I'll kick off the thread with this first little gem.

Originally Posted by whym

I'm fairly sure I heard somewhere that Bush discussed the invasion of Afghanistan before 9/11 even happened - like in one of his early meetings soon after getting into the White House.

Which was quickly debunked by Cat as follows:

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

You might want to read this http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020412.html

Of course the followup was provided

Originally Posted by whym

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/05/afghanistan.usa1
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html

Bush = warmongerer anyway. He couldn't wait to find an acceptable excuse to go and attack some non-Christians.

Two lovely links, followed by a statement of opinion with no facts. I say the links are lovely as they provide real insight into what a biased and truth twisting hunk of cr*p liberal rag the Guardian is. If you read the articles, they point out the following:

1) Clinton knew he was getting his *** handed to him by Al Queda
2) He did nothing about it
3) His advisers, including Sandy Burger, prepared the sh*t sandwich intelligence report on how badly the Clintons let America take it up the *ss, and dumped it in Bush's lap his first day in office
4) Bush's only foreign policy policy objectives coming into office were the war on drugs and missile defense.
5) After the Clinton's essentially looted the White House, and Gore throws the nation into turmoil, Bush looks at the intelligence report with distrust(surprise surprise).
6) 9-11 comes, Bush forced to deal with the cockroaches, and off to war we go.

So... at the end of the day... the original statement that "Bush planned to attack Afghanistan prior to 9-11"? Patently false. The interesting part is the Guardian's spin in saying that Bush screwed up by not attacking Afghanistan earlier. The libs need to get together before they start their smear, if only to coordinate their stories and plan of attack.

je ne sais qua

Just my 2 cents, but it's written :
"je ne sais quoi"

But the pronunciation is the same.

I hate Bush!!! hahah ha haha!

Bush is the worst President ever b/c
1. He took us to war that the senate voted on (and the court of public opinion for that matter.)
2. He did not take the advice of the spineless UN (which a lot of members had interest in keeping the terrorist countries happy) and not go to war. The nerve of America to do that, I mean it’s not like the UN exists only because America saved all those countries from complete annihilation.
3. He lowered taxes and now America has the most revenue in the History of America.
4. He spent the most money in American history (no wait that’s congress that decides where to spend money)

Originally Posted by tripy

Just my 2 cents, but it's written :
"je ne sais quoi"

But the pronunciation is the same.

Please forgive my bad French spelling. Two years of French, and this is all I have to show for it. Most Republicans would take this moment to make a snide remark about the French at this point, and while that may be tempting, I appreciate that the French have been one of the strongest allies of the U.S. since the birth of our country. Long may that be so.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Two lovely links, followed by a statement of opinion with no facts.

You don't do facts - we know, we're used to it.

You're the person Colbert is making fun of with "Truthiness".

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

You don't do facts - we know, we're used to it.

You're the person Colbert is making fun of with "Truthiness".

How shall I respond to this. Hmmmm..... Neener Neener Neener?

You could respond to it by accepting that it's true and not say things that are patently false in every conversation. But that's not how Republicans operate.

Some more Bush factoids to debunk

• George Bush has been arrested. Probably twice based on statements he's made, but at a minimum he's been arrested more than I have.
  • First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
• Made Texas the most polluted state in America during his tenure as governor, which was a hard honor to steal from LA.
• "War president"??? My Pet Goat!
  • After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
• Bush failed at every financial anything he's tried, be it sports or oil prospecting. Luckily it's been on other people's money.
• Ran for congress and lost
• Wasted Texas tax payer money buying a baseball team, only to trade Sammy Sosa.
• America was attacked on his watch on 9/11 - Bush dropped the ball.
• Failed miserably during Hurricane Katrina and lied about it immediately afterwards.
• Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
• Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
• Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
• Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
• First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
• In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
• Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
• Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history
• Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. (ENRON)
• Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
• The most secretive and un-accountable presidency in US history.
• First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
• First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
  
• Enjoy the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history
• All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
• My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
• Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
• First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
• Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
• Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
• Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
• Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building.
• Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
• At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
• AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Get debunking! I can't wait to hear about how the sky is red and green with polka dots!!

Originally Posted by cbwm

Please forgive my bad French spelling. Two years of French, and this is all I have to show for it. Most Republicans would take this moment to make a snide remark about the French at this point, and while that may be tempting, I appreciate that the French have been one of the strongest allies of the U.S. since the birth of our country. Long may that be so.

No, there is nothing to forgive here....
I know French is hard to learn, and as I said, it was phonetically correct.
Beside, I'm living next to France, but I'm not French, so any critics against French would just slip over me
In fact, we bash them (a little) too here...

Wow, you keep a score card. I think its fair to say you have an unhealthy obsession with the man. Since this thread is going to get very long, lets just kick it off with the first charge on your perp sheet. Criminal record (DUI charge in 1976). The quick answer really is ... So what? Are you implying you would like to modify the Constitution in some one to prevent people with moving violations from being able to run for presidency? Are you saying the DUI conviction says something positive or negative about his qualification to be president?

Bush's youthful DUI is NOTHING compared to the scandalous abuse of power in the Whitewater case. Only through power and influence did he avoid felony charges from being brought, and many other people went down at his expense. Regardless, I'm sure if Bush thought he might one day be running for president, he would not have just pleaded guilty and paid the $150 fine for his misdemeanor. Even bringing something like this up demonstrates the vitriol I speak of.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

• Ran for congress and lost

Please. Why put cr*p like that in the list. So has Obama. So has almost any candidate getting started.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie;564951[LIST

[*]Made Texas the most polluted state in America during his tenure as governor, which was a hard honor to steal from LA.[/list]

I have searched this and found nothing to support this and on a side note Texas could never steal the most polluted state award from LA.

• Bush failed at every financial anything he's tried, be it sports or oil prospecting. Luckily it's been on other people's money.

America has had the most federal revenue than ever before, I would not call that a failure but that is just me.

America was attacked on his watch on 9/11 - Bush dropped the ball.

We were also attacked during the Clinton administration. And Clinton did Bush one better, he bombed a medicine factory and then lied and said he had information that it was a weapon factory. At least under Bush we bombed the right people and managed to get an evil dictator out of power.

• Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
• Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

You cannot blame Bush for something that he does not have sole power over.

• Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history

I would like to see your sources on this.

• The most secretive and un-accountable presidency in US history.

Again I would like to see your sources on this.

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Sources…?

• Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

we don't know that.

• Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Well I believe when you have a national disaster as devastating as 9/11 it is going to negatively affect the economy.

• At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

Kind of like Sen. Kidney (D)

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

I would love to see your sources on this one.

Bush's policies have seriously damaged the credibility of the United States - in a way that other presidents, certainly recent ones haven't. The US is no longer respected worldwide because of this incompetent idiot who jokes around on the world stage, and makes Homer Simpson look like the most intelligent person in the world's history.

Originally Posted by whym

Bush's policies have seriously damaged the credibility of the United States - in a way that other presidents, certainly recent ones haven't. The US is no longer respected worldwide because of this incompetent idiot who jokes around on the world stage, and makes Homer Simpson look like the most intelligent person in the world's history.

Well that is certainly one point a view, and one shared by many liberals I suspect. You certainly cant invade and occupy a country without pissing a few people off.
Speaking specifically to the issue of credibility, it can easily be argued that Bush/Cheney increased the credibility of the U.S. in a way others before him had failed to. When he made several phone calls to State Sponsors of terror saying, "Get a handle on your cockroach problem or you will be dealing with the U.S. on a military level", they obviously found him very credible. I'd say the compiled list of misstatements and irrelevancies compiled by Learning Newbie posted on this thread are aimed at damaging the president's credibility, much like the 24x7 assault on Obama because of his preacher's statements. The difference with Dummycrats is they don't realize that type of hazing is bad for the country once the president actually takes office.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

You don't do facts - we know, we're used to it.

You're the person Colbert is making fun of with "Truthiness".

Sure he does. He almost never supports his facts, and when he does support the facts using biased and sensationalized media sources he conveniently ignores unbiased facts that counter his own viewpoint...BUT HE DOES FACTS. I won't stand idly by and watch you bash the good name of...whoever he is.

For shame, sir! For shame!

Haha . You guys crack me up. When you gonna get your hand of his knee and make your move.

When you learn what a fact actually is.

* checks the temperature in Hell *

Nope, still warm down there. You're gonna be waiting a while.

I want to see facts if I am wrong let me know show me the sources on what I have shown above.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Wow, you keep a score card. I think its fair to say you have an unhealthy obsession with the man.

Translation = "I'm beat and have nothing factual to say, so I better go ad hom". Well played, friend. Your white flag is wearing a disguise.

If you really can't figure it out, those things I said aren't true because I said them. It's your God's fault for getting drunk and arrested, for bankrupting everything he's had his hand on. I'm only telling you what your boy has done, and at that it's only because you have your head buried in the sand. You still haven't even attempted to debunk a thing, which is why you started this thread, on some misguided and flat out wrong belief that every harmful thing Bush has ever done is a conspiracy made up by the liberal media.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Criminal record (DUI charge in 1976). The quick answer really is ... So what?

Sorry, backpeddling about how soft you are on crime when the criminal is a famous Republican doesn't cut it. Go back to the drawing board and come up with something more acceptable than "crime is great - I wish the Democrats would elect a convicted criminal like us". Y'all love to get your panties in a bunch about brown people trespassing (immigration = "what part of illegal don't you understand") or when it might get you some votes talking up more cops on the street to catch criminals who aren't also also Republicans.

We'll just remember that you're pro crime next time you start complaining about people with brown skin.

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

At least under Bush we bombed the right people and managed to get an evil dictator out of power.

Saddam Hussein was the 20th hijacker on 9/11? Nope, nice try though. 5 years, $2 trillion according to the CBO, 4,000 dead American soldiers, all in the wrong country thanks to Junior Bush.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Saddam Hussein was the 20th hijacker on 9/11? Nope, nice try though. 5 years, $2 trillion according to the CBO, 4,000 dead American soldiers, all in the wrong country thanks to Junior Bush.

I personally don’t know if Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 or not, but the fact is he was a threat to America and the rest of the world and now he is not. Even if you think going over there was a huge mistake (which I do by the way) It is still completely different than what Clinton did, He took out a medicine factory that was helping innocent civilians.