I haven't heard anything from or about John McCain since he came out against equal pay for equal work.

Has he thrown in the towel? This promises to be the least interesting contest since Clinton cleaned the floor with Bob Dole.

I think you might be in for a surprise.

I think (and hope!) there are many surprises left for me before I find myself at the Pearly Gates. But, that doesn't change that I haven't heard anything about him since the "Women are only 77 % as smart as men" quote, accompanied by women just need more "education and training". I also know he's intelligent enough to know when he's blown it.

You need to watch Fox News. He's been making the rounds in foreign countries and talking to foreign diplomats. He's been ramping up the "Green" speak in Oregon, and doing the liberal schtick. If the Democrats cant work out their nominee situation, they could always run Hillary on the Republican ticket, run McCain under the "green" party, and let Obama have the communist/hezbollah nomination.

Uh, if that's a "quote" why can't I find the "quote" anywhere?? You would think it would be all over the interwebs.. Care to provide some linkage to a real source??

And for the record, if my wife were 23% smarter she wouldn't have married me..

Originally Posted by Feydakin

And for the record, if my wife were 23% smarter she wouldn't have married me..

True for most of us Men.

Ok, found it under watch me spin the hell out of this -

This relates to a bill that didn't get out of the senate to overturn a Supreme Court decision to change the satute of limitations for filing a pay based discrimination lawsuit from 180 days (6 months) from time of hire.. Some people think that is an unfair amount of time and should be extended while others think that extending the satute could open businesses up to a potentially endless stream of lawsuits for things that happened in the past..

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who skipped the vote on equal pay altogether because he was out campaigning. (Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both showed up to support it.) McCain's opposition to the bill was expressed thusly: He's familiar with the pay disparity but believes there are better ways to help women find better-paying jobs.

One of the ways was more education / training.. I think it would be better to offer training in how to negotiate your pay rate.. I'm a huge fan of self determination.. If you think you are paid unfairly, ask for more.. Still not happy?? Leave or deal with it..

And to try to cut off the people that think I'm evil, or that not everyone is capable of doing that for whatever reason, too bad.. A good friend of ours (female) was in this situation when her boss left and she wound up doing both his and her jobs for the same pay.. She negotiated for a raise.. She didn't like the raise they offered.. She walked.. A week later they met "her" numbers which made her one of the highest people in the entire lab, and most definitely the highest person at her job level..

No sympathy from me here..

ETA: Suppose I should have mentioned that I agreed with the previous ruling where each paycheck created a new starting point for the statue of limitations

I don't know how much credit Limbaugh deserves for "operation ciaos " but the fact is that Hillary is trying her best to destroy Obamas' image for the sake of a last attempt to win. And seeing how she is probably going to lose, Obama is going to enter the real race beat up. And god forbid, but what if the economy and war start to go really well as they have shown signs of. All I am saying is don't count us republicans out yet John.

Can there be any doubt that Obama was the candidates the Republicans wanted to run against?

Originally Posted by cbwm

Can there be any doubt that Obama was the candidates the Republicans wanted to run against?

Well It seems some wanted the Mrs. but I think Obama will be much easier to bet then the one who would (or has) sell her soul to make herself look better or win.

Originally Posted by Feydakin

And for the record, if my wife were 23% smarter she wouldn't have married me..

Somebody else took you to task already for assuming that 1 example makes a national trend, but, we'll just call that the Feydakin Logical Fallacy, since you're so attached to it. For your reference, tho, when you reach untrue conclusions based on faulty logic, this is why.

Now let's return from the murky world of anecdotes back to the land of facts.

• Women make less for the same work. On average, women who work full time all year only make $0.77 for every dollar their male counterparts make.
• The pay gap is even worse for mothers. Mothers only make $0.73 to a man's dollar and single mothers only make about $0.60 to a man's dollar.
• Wage discrimination cuts across educational levels. For example, for workers 25 years old or older who had some high school education, women's annual earnings were around $15,162, compared to $24,092 for men. But even earning a bachelor's degree didn't help. Women with a bachelor's degree made around $38,221 a year, while men at the same level made $55,425.
• In some places, the pay gap has actually increased. A study done by the U.S. Government Accounting Office found that women managers across 10 industries not only made less than their male counterparts, but in seven of those industries the pay gap had actually increased between 1995 and 2001.

Our country has had an enforceable equal pay law from 1964 to May 2007.

Does this mean that I have to present every single example to combat some random polling?? I suppose that I could.. I know enough women that make equal or more money than their male counterparts that I suppose that I should just pretend that each and every one of those is an aberration or some special case that is obviously unique even though there is more than one or two of them..

But then again, I don't think that I ever said that women weren't paid less than men.. Let me check.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Nope, don't see that anywhere in my post.. That may be a bit of data that you simply assume based on the fact that I don't care if someone, male, female, black, white, latino, martian or atlantean, is paid less than someone else.. Pay scale is an agreement between two parties.. The employer and the employee.. Don't like the pay, don't make the agreement.. Seems pretty simple to me..

But thanks for inventing something I never said to argue about.. It is fun to watch..

At least you're a lot more talented at spin than our other Republicans around here.

Originally Posted by Feydakin

Does this mean that I have to present every single example to combat some random polling??

No, it means you need to learn math before making these absurd statements. But I'll humor you. Go poll some women for proof 2 + 2 = 5. Then go learn what a percent of the whole means.

Originally Posted by Feydakin

But then again, I don't think that I ever said that women weren't paid less than men.. Let me check.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..

So what does it mean when you say your wife makes more than you do, and you'd love to "poll every woman"?

Of course, since you're playing the infantile "I never said that - but I can put words in your mouth" game, what's important is what McCain said, not what Feydakin said. But it was a good try - I'll give you that.

I guess that personal experience doesn't count for much.. Or maybe I just happen know only smart women..

And I don't think that there is anything at all wrong in objecting to being credited with things I never said.. It's kind of hard to carry on a rational discussion when one side rewrites what the other has said.. If I write one thing, you assume it means something else and argue that point, how can an rational discussion take place??

As for my wife making more than me, it doesn't mean anything other than she makes more than me (except for a few years in California).. She pretty much always has.. It has never been an issue for us.. And polling every woman?? Nah, just the one I have is enough, unless Angelina Jolie changes her mind..

And finally, see, I'm addressing what you actually said, not something I imagined you said, What McCain said is that he didn't see a reason to change what the Supreme Court decided.. He would rather see more money and effort applied toward helping to train women more.. I don't see a problem with offering more training to women, especially if it is the area of negotiation.. But do you presume that because he wanted to spend more on training that what he really meant was that women were 23% less smart than men because that is what you wanted him to say, or because you've taken his words to mean something other than providing women with more opportunities for more training and education than are already available??