This is something a lot of people seem to be talking about lately. I've heard some (of what I would consider) wild accusations of misogyny and the like. Ironically, I've read and seen more bile and vitriol from Hillary Clinton's supporters than from John McCain's. (Maybe that makes sense, as Hillary actually had a chance?)

So, what do people in here think? In general, share your opinion. And also, if you could, tell us what you think about a few specifics. Was Hillary's campaign doomed as the result of sexism? Does Barack fight the same uphill battle WRT racism? Is it odd for a person to say sexism is a problem that exists and racism isn't?

Is Xism a fair complaint in an election, whether X is gender, race, or age? If it's a popularity contest, should people be left to pick who they'd rather drink a beer with, and then turn American Idol back on?

Obama has been accused of saying "change" a lot, with no meaning, and no specifics to back it up. Hillary has been saying "I'm the substantative candidate" a lot - is the same thing true here? (I'm showing my bias here - I have to admit, I think Hillary asked us to accept a lot of Bill's accomplishments as her own, but also to understand that Bill's mistakes weren't hers to share.)

What does everyone else think about these issues?

They started showing more of her speeches after she was beat and they were really good.

I think all the rebooblicans who say no substance just look at the 5 second sound bites on fox "news" or what the pundit commentators say.

Hilary killed Hilary. I'm sure there would have been those in the Obama camp who, if he had lost, would have cried racism.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

I have to admit, I think Hillary asked us to accept a lot of Bill's accomplishments as her own, but also to understand that Bill's mistakes weren't hers to share.

Truer words were never put to print. That aside, I still think Hilary, riding on Bill's legacy, would have been unbeatable in the general election. Obama vs. McCain is a coin toss.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Hilary killed Hilary.

Who's "Hilary" when she's at home??? It's Hillary (double L)

She could have been killed by both racism and sexism and the same way if Obama lost

I think that the coloured/black vote went against her. Obama will be a good thing for the coloured community, if he becomes president, some interesting times lay ahead for America. I personally think they were both very good candidates and are both good and honest people. Major contrast to Mr Bush....I doubt he will bw missed.

Originally Posted by whym

Who's "Hilary" when she's at home??? It's Hillary (double L)

I think I just figured out who runs this irritating blog that linked to my post about Linux GUIs.

Originally Posted by hookmeup

I think that the coloured/black vote went against her. Obama will be a good thing for the coloured community, if he becomes president, some interesting times lay ahead for America. I personally think they were both very good candidates and are both good and honest people. Major contrast to Mr Bush....I doubt he will bw missed.

wow. I have not heard blacks referred to as "coloured people" since the last time I saw my great grandmother.

Had he lost people would have said it was because he was black, there's nothing you can do against narrow minded self righteous people who always see themselves as victims. I'm Black and believe I'm so tired of hearing people whining sometimes, and the same goes to a lot of women

There's a long way to go

I think that sexism wasn't the reason Hilary won you can't say it was sexism if you also don't think that rasism would have stopped Obama.
I think that if a women and a black man can run for president then anything is possible and it should be an inspiration.

I think Hillary Clinton didn't embrace her femininity enough. With a pant suit and her demeanor, she scared me away. I think Obama is more personable.

Originally Posted by highanddry

I think Hillary Clinton didn't embrace her femininity enough. With a pant suit and her demeanor, she scared me away.

She scared many of us.

Lol, that image made me crack up.
And title reminds me of guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Well, I agree that sexism killed hillary's camaign.
I was looking forward to see the world's most dominant country led by a woman.