I listen to a lot of talk radio, have you guys heard about this? Legendary attorney Vincent Bugliosi ( The man who put Manson behind bars, author of "Helter Skelter") wrote a book called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. He makes an incredibly compelling argument but his book has been pretty much black listed by mainstream media.

He actually wants a prosecution to follow.

As much as I doubt that G.Dubb will be prosecuted, I'd certainly love to see it happen

An excerpt

"With respect to the positionI take about the crimes of George Bush, I want to state at the outset that my motivation is not political. Although I've been a longtime Democrat (primarily because, unless there is some very compelling reason to be otherwise, I am always for "the little guy"), my political orientation is not rigid. For instance, I supported John McCain's run for the presidency in 2000. More to the point, whether I'm giving a final summation to the jury or writing one of my true crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. Therefore, my only master and my only mistress are the facts and objectivity. I have no others. This is why I can give you, thereader, a 100 percent guarantee that if a Democratic president had done what Bush did, I would be writing the same, identical piece you are about to read."
-Taken from http://www.prosecutionofbush.com

/chuckle. Its objective because he says it is. He should be in sales... oh wait... he is.

Actually I don't think he is in sales heh

Of course he is. He is selling books.

He wrote the book and promotes it, the publisher sells it

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to blur the lines between marketing and sales. If you want to get really specific, his publisher prints the book. Its outlets like Crown, Amazon, etc who do the actual selling of the book.

Boys...this has the potential to get nasty. I strongly suggest returning to the topic of whether or not G.W. should be prosecuted and leave the current path of the discussion.

This isn't getting ugly! We are just have a bizarre discussion on technicalities (Some publishers literally sell the book). I would like to hear at least one response to the topic at hand however

Originally Posted by highanddry

As much as I doubt that G.Dubb will be prosecuted, I'd certainly love to see it happen

Ditto. Most vocal people believe the law should never apply to Republicans, so King George has never been accountable to law, and never will be.

The death of 900,000 Iraqis caused by war violence, starting a civil war in order to steal a foreign country's oil, corrupt no bid oil contracts, lying repeatedly to the American people and Congress. Violating the Geneva Convention. Outright treason, giving up an operative, risking not only her lives but those of all her resources in the field, in order to punish her husband for using the 1st Amendment - damaging national security.

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a sexual activity. Bush has been lying for many, many years, in order to provoke a course of action. It's not so much the lies themselves, as the fraud, that needs accountability, that needs to submit to the checks and balances that define American democracy.

We have a vice president who turned the police away after shooting a man in the face, hunting without a license. Law means as much to these people as it did to Attila the Hun.

George W Bush's presidency has been the most damaging event visited on American history since the White House was burned to the ground in the war of 1812. This has been the most secretive, most antagonistic toward democracy, and most blatantly illegal presidency probably of them all. It's going to take a long time for us to recover from the wide array of damage home and abroad, that make GWB's legacy. Hopefully with a new president in the White House, we can at least get all of the former New Orlineans out of FEMA trailers - "Good job, Brownie!" We can be sure Obama's administration won't commit treason.

Originally Posted by highanddry

This isn't getting ugly! We are just have a bizarre discussion on technicalities

True dat. I just dont get to use the smilies in replies posted from the quick reply window, so my posts come across less friendly. There.. doesn't that lighten the mood?

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

We can be sure Obama's administration won't commit treason

Can we? Many feel that Clinton's sales of classified technology to China, his non-responsiveness to Al Queda when they bombed U.S. embassy after U.S. Embassy and the U.S.S. Cole, his failure to prevent N. Korea from obtaining nuclear weapons to be treasonous. Many are waiting with sphincter clinching delight to find out what wonderful goodies President Obama has in store for this nation.

I've heard the FISA bill only protects against civil suits, it's still possible GWB can come under criminal prosecution if the telecom stuff is made public.

I don't know about trying him for murder, but Bush could arguably be impeached for either of these:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/wo...ld&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/wa...sa.html?ref=us

These are just from today. Any one dispute that Bush is a war profiteer who's made trampling the Constitution chic?

tim

I think the book makes a very convincing case. The Author, Bugliosi has NEVER lost a prosecution case. He's a legendary attorney, granted he is in his 70's now.

I am 58 years old so when I say you children should grow up, it is said with respect and from my perspective.

Grow UP!

The president of the US knows a couple of things that CNN does not. Judge the man in in 20 years, the minimum time frame for for a historical judgement.

Originally Posted by colbyt

The president of the US knows a couple of things that CNN does not. Judge the man in in 20 years, the minimum time frame for for a historical judgement.

Are you sure your talking about G.W. Bush?

Next on the news. No disagreeing with a republican president until long after he leaves office. You might not know what he does Or is it the rebooblicans will have a chance to twist history like they always do.

Hey, there is a reason why the old bull walks down the hill while the young bull runs. You know the rest of the story.

Originally Posted by colbyt

I am 58 years old so when I say you children should grow up, it is said with respect and from my perspective.

You're right - America needs to grow up and root out the corruption. We need an impeachment to show the presidency isn't a free for all.

Originally Posted by colbyt

I am 58 years old so when I say you children should grow up, it is said with respect and from my perspective.

Grow UP!

The president of the US knows a couple of things that CNN does not. Judge the man in in 20 years, the minimum time frame for for a historical judgement.

I can deal with the reverse ageism, but not questioning a president for 20 years? I don't think so, people need to be held accountable, especially our leaders. That kind of blind nationalism is what lead to things like the patriot act being brought into existence.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

We need an impeachment to show the presidency isn't a free for all.

Oh yes, the public loves a good hangin'.

Originally Posted by ECSuite_Russell

I can deal with the reverse ageism, but not questioning a president for 20 years? I don't think so, people need to be held accountable, especially our leaders. That kind of blind nationalism is what lead to things like the patriot act being brought into existence.

And here I thought it was the angst and outcry of the American people over 9-11 who were itchin for a good hangin. I don't think colbyt was asking you not to question the president, just stating that the next 20 years will make the rightness or wrongness of this president's actions a lot clearer. Lincoln was pretty hated in his time, but I think we can all agree the lens of history proved his decisions to be the right ones.

A Lincoln - Bush
comparison is incredibly lame, not even close to the same circumstances.