According to the video, featured on Pat Buchanan's website http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/08/mccain-war-hero/ , McCain participated in 23 communist propaganda films.

Are you trying to build sympathy for McCain by bringing up the illegal filming of POWs done by the VC in violation of the Geneva convention? If you are, please stop. McCains status as a true war hero should play only a small portion of your decision making in this election. Of much more importance is McCain's history as a military man who attended the U.S. war college, since the the U.S. is currently engaged in two wars, with a third brewing, which would be nice to disengage from in a non-Vietnam style manor. Of much more importance is McCain has a track record of ethical behavior over his long career, where as Obama has already proven himself to be crooked as hell in his very short career as a senator. Of much more importance is Obamas inability to speak the truth when asked for specifics on any of his plans. Not sure how many of you caught the debate last night, but it was hard to watch. Every time I watch McCain speak I'm reminded of why I dislike him so much. It seems the guy has a two item deep talking points list. Obama is much better spoken and I used to really enjoy watching him speak, but now that he is starting to talk specifics(after two years of education in the ramp up), I only see a very smart liar who is very good at manufacturing any lie into something that sounds very much like the truth. This guy could deny the holocaust and make you believe it, and would probably be willing to do it if it suited his political needs. A very dangerous individual.

Sure, sure. Whatever history McCain has we should ignore. Whatever bad decisions he's made, we should ignore. But, if Obama ever MET anybody that Repubs don't like, then we should assume that Obama shares their views. If Obama speaks, then Repubs will distort what he says, imply that he's like Iran's leader!(wtf?), and conclude (erroneously) that because of all the Repub lies and deceptions that Obama's a "very danderous individual". But, Palin who has less experience is more qualified because she's "a quick study" and Russia "flies planes over Alaska".

Now, let's go back 16 years: http://www.alternet.org/election08/9...e_while_a_pow/

Now, CBWM, defend that! Yes, defend the undefensible. You will, of course, because "much of our so-called reasoning consists in finding excuses to go on believing as we already do."

Originally Posted by JeremyMiller

Sure, sure. Whatever history McCain has we should ignore.

Au countraire, I think he actually WANTS you to focus on his history. Lets face it, in the history matchup, you have an inexperienced and corrupt chicago politician with racist ties vs a proven patriot. McCain's time as a POW has been gone over and over again, videos included. Your link has nothing new to offer outside of reminding us that McCain has not always seen eye to eye with his Republican party.

Personally, I don't like the guy. He's a cantankerous old fart with a disagreeable personality, but you lefties have got to get off the attempted "swiftboating" of the war record. Even if he did collaborate with the VC, you arent going to get most of the servicemen he served with to swear he did it, like they did with John Kerry. You arent going to place him in meetings discussing killing U.S. Senators to end a war, like they did with Kerry. What the left doesn't get is the Swift Boat Vets for truth were successful for two reasons the same tactic could never work against McCain. 1) Kerry was hated by the people he served with. 2) There were legitimate concerns behind their complaints about him.

I know I said I was considering voting for Obama before, but now, everytime I see him speak I just see an abitious and skillful liar who I really have no idea what he stands for. Palin's luster has also worn off for me, for the time being. Her answers are prepacked and repeated with very little new or original material introduced. Seriously, out of the four of them, I like Biden the best, though I would rather have beers with him, then have him be my president.

When you start out with two candidates who are so willing to twist the truth, you are left with only their records to decide on how they will act in office. I'm sure a lot of people will be watching to see who screws up the bailout package the worst.

Originally Posted by JeremyMiller

Sure, sure. Whatever history McCain has we should ignore. Whatever bad decisions he's made, we should ignore.

I don't have a clue as to what happened in a POW camp in the 70's and frankly unless you have been there and done better you have no right to judge what someone else did either.

Originally Posted by cbwm

illegal filming of POWs done by the VC in violation of the Geneva convention

Here is the actual footage of the death of Ion Antonescu before the firing squad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4sE25ox-I


Don't know if it violates some convention, but Antonescu looks great.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Are you trying to build sympathy for McCain by bringing up the illegal filming of POWs done by the VC in violation of the Geneva convention? If you are, please stop. McCains status as a true war hero should play only a small portion of your decision making in this election. Of much more importance is McCain's history as a military man who attended the U.S. war college, since the the U.S. is currently engaged in two wars, with a third brewing, which would be nice to disengage from in a non-Vietnam style manor. Of much more importance is McCain has a track record of ethical behavior over his long career, where as Obama has already proven himself to be crooked as hell in his very short career as a senator. Of much more importance is Obamas inability to speak the truth when asked for specifics on any of his plans. Not sure how many of you caught the debate last night, but it was hard to watch. Every time I watch McCain speak I'm reminded of why I dislike him so much. It seems the guy has a two item deep talking points list. Obama is much better spoken and I used to really enjoy watching him speak, but now that he is starting to talk specifics(after two years of education in the ramp up), I only see a very smart liar who is very good at manufacturing any lie into something that sounds very much like the truth. This guy could deny the holocaust and make you believe it, and would probably be willing to do it if it suited his political needs. A very dangerous individual.
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Seriously, out of the four of them, I like Biden the best, though I would rather have beers with him, then have him be my president.

Not much to choose from. ...good luck

The circularity of the arguments here is confusing to say the least. Fact is is that McCain with all of his experience should know better. He should know that the policies he's advocating are failures -- not by their execution, but, rather, by the flaws in their fundamental principles. Obama with all of his inexperience should also have enough brains in his head to see their failure. One of them actually does see this and has suggestions for a most-likely better alternative. The other, unfortunately, cannot see past "partisan politics" and is thereby blinded by them.

And, no matter the circumstances, however harsh they have been, one's character is exposed by their choice of how to handle the situation. Saying that it's off limits doesn't have any meaning except exposing the fact that the one performing such an analysis refuses to look at all of the facts. It is sheer cowardice to say that McCain's own behavior is off limits. Stand up and face the reality. Stand up and handle the "straight talk". Don't shy away from it.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Seriously, out of the four of them, I like Biden the best, though I would rather have beers with him, then have him be my president.

I would like to have some beers with Sarah... If you know what I mean... Giggidy, giggidy, gig-gi-dy!

Originally Posted by cbwm

illegal filming of POWs done by the VC in violation of the Geneva convention?

oh yah, what about hogan's heroes?
if it's illegal then how come they filmed and then showed them to everybody on tv?

Bob Crane was a god!

Originally Posted by ascotech

oh yah, what about hogan's heroes?

Well, the above linked Antonescu video is a documentary. It really was like that. While Hogan's heroes is a fiction film. Does not the child of postmodern age Homo Americanus understand the difference?

The Antonescu video was shown on central Romanian TV. But not shown, or mentioned, in any American mainstream media. Is this because Antonescu was an ally of Hitler?

Here is a series of fotos showing an execution taking place in Tehran a year ago. The doomed man smiles from the scaffold.

http://trinixy.ru/2007/08/03/kazn_v_...onervnykh.html

The guy killed one of of those evil Akhmadinejad's judges. Why those pictures where not used in propaganda and never distributed by American newsmedia?