This election looks like it will turn out with the most liberal leadership in both houses of congress as well as the White House. Obama, Pelosi, Reid. Some surveys show a 60% filibuster proof majority in both houses of congress. It is by far a more powerful situation than even George W Bush enjoyed in the first four years off his presidency when both houses had a slight Republican majority. Essentially, Obama's administration will be able to force through whatever legislation they desire. The country will have King Obama.

I know there are some out there, like Learning Newbie whose soul I am buying one neg TP at a time, who are already prepared with excuses for the failure of the Obama administration. If things go well, it will be because Obama did such a stellar job. If things go badly, it will be because Bush fouled things up so badly, they couldnt be repaired in a single administration. This question is really for the rest of you as a matter of principal.

A democratic King, so to say. The idea of a king is not bad. Unchallenged power could yield better results. It's just the whole blood thing that mucks it all up. If we had the chance to elect a King - I think it would work out quite well.

As for this whole Obama thing - Vote Harper!

They say the most efficient known form of government is a benevolent dictatorship. Look at Singapore.

Creating a new monarchy in somewhere like the USA would be an absolute disaster in my opinion. The very basis of the USA is on freedom and democracy. However, I'm certainly not in favour of removing the monarchy in my country (the UK) - I like the idea of having someone looking out for you, in case your Prime Minister loses the plot. Parliament, if the vote gets a majority, can veto the Queen if she were to interfere without cause, and the Queen can override the power of the Prime Minister should he go a bit crazy... They keep each other in check. For the past 200 or so years, the Royals have largely stayed out of politics, but they are a safeguard that's there if they are ever needed.

Dan

Originally Posted by cbwm

Essentially, Obama's administration will be able to force through whatever legislation they desire.

Thanks to

1. Democracy = the will of the people, and
2. the disastrous flup up that has been George W Bush's policy of failure

But to answer your "question" (really more of an assertion based on revisionist history that hasn't even happened yet), we had King George, the least democratic most fascist president in recent memory, and it worked out terribly for America. A return to by the people, for the people, sounds like a good thing!

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Thanks to

1. Democracy = the will of the people, and
2. the disastrous flup up that has been George W Bush's policy of failure

But to answer your "question" (really more of an assertion based on revisionist history that hasn't even happened yet), we had King George, the least democratic most fascist president in recent memory, and it worked out terribly for America. A return to by the people, for the people, sounds like a good thing!

Soooo..... you are against King Obama and wont vote for him? Or only against unchallenged power if that power is Republican? Care to clarify?

I'll clarify after you explain what orifice you pulled those questions out of? You need to speak clearly and not try (but fail) to put words in other people's mouths.

I see you've never heard of the balance of powers. I'll spell it out for you. You call Dubya King George because he ran an "UnDemocratic" government with his Republican majority in both houses of congress. Obama will not only have the same majority in both houses of congress but likely a sufficient majority to bust any filibuster put up by the Republicans. Hes also been quoted as saying he will make Supreme Court appointments based on values of civil justice rather than a strict adherence to the constitution.

This leaves you in a curious position. You can do only one of the following:

1) Take back the words about Bush's government being undemocratic, since Obama will have a very similar setup
2) Vote against Obama as a protest against that type of uncontested power.
3) Acknowledge you only care about concentrated power when that leaders ideals do not match your own.

Obviously you fall into category 3, like most folks, and I don't even see it being something you should feel appologetic about. Hell, Sadaam's cronies lived pretty high on the hog until he decided to execute them.

Originally Posted by cbwm

Or only against unchallenged power if that power is Republican? Care to clarify?

Considering how much you failed to complain while King George and the Rubber Stamp Republicans ruled the roost - this would make you a hypocrite and a sham, if you actually believed any of the drivel that came out of your fingertips.

You need to be a little more convincing in your parody.

Won't answer? I don't blame you. I saw you also had no comment on Obama's new welfare for 40% of America plan. I suppose thats because you know its true, and wrong, but are willing to suck it up so long as it means a Democrat in office.

I think its funny how everyone has written this election off, basically lets skip the election that will just be a waste of tax payers money.

I still believe that Obama is not going to win. But I guess I am the only optimist in the country.

I haven't written it off yet. It could go either way to be honest. Given Obama's lead in the polls I'm just vocalizing the reality of what President Obama would really mean to the country and the more you play it through, its really pretty ugly.

If you dislike Bush's policies now, imagine if he had had a 60% filibuster proof majority in congress. You'd be looking at a Gay Marriage ban constitutional amendment and a variety of other controversial extreme right wing legislation that would have passed because there would have been no need to reach any kind of agreement across the isle.

With Obama, we will be looking at 40% of Americans receiving an annual tax refund check, even though they paid no taxes. We might be looking at socialized medicine, gays in the military, or any other number of extreme left wing agenda items pushed through regardless of dissent. Unquestionably, you will see a spending spree that will make George W look like a miser.

well it depends with the situation..