I just read http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...dministration/ and http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...d-led-to-loss/ .

This poll (and ones taken between now and 1/20) I think reflects the 43rd's ultimate legacy. How will he be able to erase these:

• "The 83 percent saying things are going badly is 'more than in 1992, when the first President Bush was ousted because of the economy, stupid. That's more than in 1980, when President Carter got fired after the malaise crisis. That's more than in 1975, after Watergate and the Nixon pardon.'"
• "the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is the most unpopular president in the six decades since presidential approval ratings were first measured."
• "No other president's disapproval rating has gone higher than 70 percent. Bush has managed to do that three times so far this year"

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And, how will they be able to answer these questions proffered by Palin?

• "How did we run up a $10 trillion debt in a Republican administration?"
• "How have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration?"

The answer to my first question is that he can't, just like Nixon, Carter, and Bush were not. He's stained.

The answer to the second is that they won't. They will blame Democrats, reality, terrorists, ... everyone except themselves.

Republicans deny reality and have for a long time. "The polls are wrong," they proclaimed. "We will win this election," they declared. 'Americans don't want change, they just want Republican strategies to succeed,' they implied. "It is not our policies which are wrong, just their implementation," they explained. And they made those assertions for the last 2 elections. If one can't learn from one's mistakes -- or, more accurately, refuses to learn from them -- how can one correct them?

A failed war, ballooning debt, a crashing economy, and an inability to listen to the electorate's wishes. That will be the legacy of the 43rd. And that is reflected in this poll (in my never-humble opinion).

And, don't forget that at some point someone has to start paying back that debt. Then, those tax increases will be a breeze to blame on Republican mismanagement. All one need do is claim that it is time for America to regain its strength by paying off our Republican-incurred debts.

Osama bin Laden is still free, while the NSA taps your phone calls to Aunt Mildred. the bin Laden family owns the Bush family.

Katrina victims are still living in trailer parks. Subsequent natural disasters have shown that we're far less safe after 7 years of Bush than we ever were under Clinton. More to the point, the world is rejoicing Obama's election - there's a noticeable lack of American flags burning.

Our spend and spend president, the lamest of ducks George W Bush, has driven our national debt up to a level that numbers are almost powerless to convey.

George W Bush's legacy, his reign of error, will be remembered a century later in the history books.

John, get your guest room ready. I'm coming over because I want to smoke some of whatever it is you smoke on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

we're far less safe after 7 years of Bush than we ever were under Clinton.

Lets see. During the Clinton presidency, we have Al Queda building an international organization, two U.S. embassies(U.S. Soil) bombed in Africa without consequence, and all the planning made for the greatest attack on the U.S. since Pearl Harbor. Every year of the Bush presidency since 9-11, no such attacks. History strongly disagrees with you. Don't worry though. Perhaps with Obama as president, we will have some attacks on U.S. soil and you can make your post again and argue it was all Bush's doing.

By the way, it seems the consensus is that Obama will pre-emptively strike in Pakistan. If so, will that then be a good thing, since its Obama doing it? Conversly, rumor also has it he may repeal the executive order allowing attack of AlQueda in other sovereign nations we are not at war with. I only mention it because your liberal talking points rant about taking out Osama Bin Laden leads me to believe that you think killing Bill Gates would mean the end of Microsoft. Think about it.

Originally Posted by cbwm

During the Clinton presidency

During his presidency we didn't have a national debt. We actually had a surplus.

During his presidency the economy was at in utopia.

During his presidency everyone had jobs, could get a job and hold it.

Originally Posted by dWhite

During his presidency the economy was at in utopia.

That must be the reason why he deregulated the banking industry and the Credit Default Swap markets, but playing a HUGE role in our current financial status. Greenspan is as much(in reality more so) to blame as Clinton. He was quoted as saying he cant believe it turned out this way. Funny stuff. I would never say Slick Willy was a "dumb" guy. Maybe it was just hard to think with an erection.

Originally Posted by cbwm

John, get your guest room ready. I'm coming over because I want to smoke some of whatever it is you smoke on a regular basis.

It's called reality, and I can't encourage you enough to try some.

Originally Posted by cbwm

By the way, it seems the consensus is that Obama will pre-emptively strike in Pakistan. If so, will that then be a good thing, since its Obama doing it?

You're doing much better! That sounds like a question a real Republican would ask, as opposed to the cartoonish, over the top things you've come up lately. To be believable, you need to act less like Steven Colbert, and this is a great start. It's also completely out of touch with reality.

Nobody (except the Taliban) complained when America went to war with Afghanistan, who was harboring Osama bin Laden. Even though Bush was at the helm. People started having a problem when Bush let Osama go free and dragged the nation to war in Iraq to get his buddies (Hunt Oil, etc) no bid contracts.

Obviously, if the entire country got behind GWB when he went to war in Afghanistan, the problem in Iraq isn't that it was GWB. The problem was that we were at war for no good reason, and being defrauded.

Preemptive war against Pakistan is troublesome no matter who's calling for it, just like confusing a war on Iraq with a video game ("they'll greet us with flowers") so that you can steal oil and subvert democratic processes (no bid anything governmental, is the sworn enemy of Democracy) is wrong no matter who does it.

Originally Posted by cbwm

leads me to believe that you think

I'm glad you got that job with the Psychic Hotline - congratulations!

you know whats funny... I used to debate a lot more in these threads b/c I enjoyed it, now I get all the enjoyment I need by just reading john and cbwm posts.

I couldn't help but laugh reading your most recent post. I've provided some clippings from your posts so we can all appreciate the irony.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

It's called reality, and I can't encourage you enough to try some.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

That sounds like a question a real Republican would ask, as opposed to the cartoonish, over the top things you've come up lately. To be believable, you need to act less like Steven Colbert

But then we have a few random selections from your previous postings....

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Fox "News" has been a consistent, long standing advocate of executive power, privileged, etc. A weak government, headed by an all powerful president.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

LOL, just like when Republicans were cheering for an American defeat in Kosovo under President Clinton?

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Yes. US law and our Constitution. Both of which are hated by Republicans and Conservatives.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

I expect institutionalized torture will be ending in late January.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Osama Bin Laden is a good guy when compared to Bush. I'd of rather served as a Nazi under Hitler, burning Conservatives and Republicans in ovens before being lead by Bush in this country

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

This might be the most important election in history for big oil. The investments they've been making in the McCain and Palin ticket back that assertion up.

And I'm the one who is over the top .


EDIT: By the way, you've given me over 40 Neg TPs and you still have trouble getting my TP under 3 greens. You must not be doing something right. I think the system is rigged against you.