Video that God Does exist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c


What do you think

The entire premise of this guy's argument is that time cannot be infinite, or we would never have gotten to this point, here, now, today. Obviously that premise is bogus, so the rest of the argument falls apart, and I believe in the concept of god.

I will start by saying I have had my balls broken so many times by people (specifically baptists, not trying to offend you) about certain religious things. I respect this guy a lot for not talking down to anyone, and for not selling anything. What I mean is most people who argue these type of things make very biased statements and not as much actually observing of truths. This guy has a very good point. I am a christian, (catholic school, lutheran church, been going to baptist church for while so no specific to any denomination) . I have always believed mainly for the reason that we are to advanced to have just been here. I think that God made science work so we can study our world around us. In other words, I find it much more reasonable that a super natural force (God) has created us and the world, and exisence than to say everything just existed.

If we exist then God exists

Originally Posted by mack77

If we exist then God exists

Are you saying that we are god?

We sure like to pretend we are. We are all gods of our little self absorbed universe

as for the video... It is impossible to prove to someone that there is a God, the same way it is impossible to prove there is not. This guy is taking his beliefs and what he thinks (which on a side note I would say his argument is very foolish) and trying to turn them into facts. Having said all that, I do believe that there is a God.

Originally Posted by johniman7

I think that God made science work so we can study our world around us.

God created us in his own image, and God is amazingly intelligent. Science is just a reflection of that intelligence in us - our ability to learn about the world we find ourselves in.

Saying there is not a God is a lot like saying that a giant explosion could happen in a junk-yard, followed by the many pieces from the explosion falling together to form a perfect, mint-condition 1957 Corvette Convertible.

Originally Posted by wayfarer07

Saying there is not a God is a lot like saying that a giant explosion could happen in a junk-yard, followed by the many pieces from the explosion falling together to form a perfect, mint-condition 1957 Corvette Convertible.

I don't get what you are trying to saying.

He's echoing William Paley, from the 1800s. Paley said that if you're "walking through the peat" and stub your toe on a rock, you might ask yourself, how did that rock come to be here? And if you chalked it up to "that rock's always been here - it's not like they get up and walk around - it's just a rock," that would be a reasonable thing to assume. But if you stubbed your toe on a watch, it's not just a bunch of minerals thrown together at random, it's an intricate machine, and needs a better explanation for how it was made.

A tornado in a junk yard throwing scrap around to make a perfect 747 is so unlikely it might as well be impossible. A lot of people assume that either (or both) biological evolution and or or biogenesis are equally unlikely.

I would counter by saying that, for genesis, 4.5 billion years is an awful lot of time, giving biogenesis an awful lot of opportunities to happen. Bilayered lipid vesicles (primitive cell walls) form of their own accord in nature. So does a metabolic cycle, in deep sea vents where iron and sulfur meet. Polycyclic aromatic hyrdocarbons (PAH) stack up base pairs and a backbone, with exactly the same spacing as RNA and DNA, which seem to have replaced "PNA". We seem close to discovering how God made life.

Evolution is easier. Unlike the tornado in the junk yard - a one time event - evolution is the accumulation of very small changes over billions of generations. While a 747 jet plane can't be produced in one random step, one can be built over time in many small steps. Again, we know this, because most of us have been on a 747.

God is inside us.

THAT's why we can't find him. We've been looking in the sky. Silly us

God is a spirit and yeah it doesn't exist in the past but our faith to him is somehow unexplainable..

Originally Posted by Joey2tube

Video that God Does exist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c
What do you think

I think that Kirk Cameron's evil stoner cousin has as little experience in front of a camera as he does a grasp of logic, let alone physics or metaphysics. Uh, I can prove, uh, that the universe, uh, is only 6,000 years old! Sorry, I had to stop it there.

I have never had much patience for Flat Earth Christians, that is, those who frumiously try to prove to everyone as "the Christian scientific point of view" (and that term really rankles me) that evolution is fake, the big bang is a hoax, the universe is only about 5,730 years old, and must above all prove that God exists! Look, I'm a Southern Baptist, and I think all of the above is as much rubbish as thinking the Earth is the center of the universe. It's those kind of Christians that turned me off from Christianity for a great many years.

You either have faith in God or you don't. You can't prove or disprove Him without begging the question in the logical attempt. Don't even get me started on this schmoe's theory of time; I'd make his head spin when I told him Schroedinger's cat ate his candy bar.

tim

ok.. zillions of years ago, we believed in the sun and in fire.
....then we realized that we could create fire ourselves.

we then we believed in the rain...
....until we figured out how it worked...

we then believed in the sun and the moon only!
.... then we realized what they were.

Now, what is today's God? Anything that answers these questions: where do we come from, why are we here, and where do we go after death.

Those are the questions that we currently have and therefore we believe that God is whatever could answer these questions....

Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by JohnDiamond

Now, what is today's God? Anything that answers these questions: where do we come from, why are we here, and where do we go after death.
...
Does that make sense?

Those questions have nagged us since we worshiped the sun and the moon. I don't expect answers to be forthcoming anytime soon.

I saw an interesting story on the news the other day. A homeowner was filing suit against the person he bought his 10 million dollar english tudor style home from. His suit was based on the premise that the previous owner failed to disclose the house was haunted. Weird knocking sounds, a cold clamy presence, feelings of terror, ghostly apparitions were all comon place, and witnessed by impartial witnesses(plumbers, repair contractors, etc who were unaware of the allegation that the house was haunted). A couple of those "third party" people literally fled the house and would not come back. When you consider this kind of thing, I think there is quite a bit we don't have explanation for. I think we are more likely to scientifically discover what it is we are dealing with in situations such as these than we are to determine the answer to "Why are we here".

The theory that he argues is that God always existed, and that he created everything. If that's possible - why can't we argue that the particles that created the big bang always existed as well?

OK, he lost me after he asked the question, "Could there have been an infinite amount of time before right now?" Everything he says after is based on that question. Where is this question coming from? Am I missing something?

We have absolutely no way to determine when "time" began. We can theorize when the earth was formed and we can theorize when the "Big Bang" occurred, but we don't know what was going on before that. How can he say that "we've determined that time didn't always exist?"

Sorry folks, his ramblings made no sense to me at all.
And I'm particularly amused by the various comments left under the video by "supposed" atheists claiming that his video helped them "see the light".

I agree with Tim on this matter. This guy is full of rubbish.

Originally Posted by serandfae

I have never had much patience for Flat Earth Christians

Well I wouldnt necessarily call myself a Christian, but even I know the earth is flat!