I was listening to Gangster Moderne (by Mc Solaar) and I realised that it's much more like apocalyptic financial gang warfare between giant money blocks in the west and its economic colonies, in every direction, big gangs of rich goons financially crippling each other in a mad self-destructive war driven by total despair, fear and greed.

When you look at it like that it's less like a "crash" (or even "crunch") and more like a mad nightmarish apocalyptic wild west.

Separately, I think ALL financial workers should be forced to EARN their bailouts - they must be given targets of poor people to feed across the globe, eliminating starvation globally inside 3 years using skill and management and dedication - they would only be paid their salaries as and when they met very high targets every single month. That is what I believe is the appropriate way of dealing with this whole disease we call Babylon and its horrible defacement of the world. Just an idle dream, for now. Nonetheless, maybe I can find a way to pull it off one day?

so what are you trying to say here?

I was listening to Gangster Moderne (by Mc Solaar)

Hmm, someone else speaking French here ?
Well, counting me in, it would at least make 3 people :-)
For the general education, mc solaar is a french rapper that is very versed in poems and literature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Solaar
as for gangster moderne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDuPwIGq3Nw
and one of my prefeerred one, "nouveau western" (the new western): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n8kG...eature=related

When you look at it like that it's less like a "crash" (or even "crunch") and more like a mad nightmarish apocalyptic wild west.

Honestly, I don't know...
From where I am (switzerland), I don't see much effects of this crisis.
My neighbour just found a new job, and the peoples I work with nor my friends seems to have felt much, except for one that had invested in the stock exchange, but we had told him not to.

But I'm with you when you say that any corporation asking for a bailout should be given some homework, not just to promise the tell where the money was used.

I haven't listened to MC Solaar for a looong time but I used to be very found of him

count me in tripy

I also would have to agree. I haven't seen much effect on the crisis except that toys were 50% off BEFORE Christmas which saved me a whole bunch of money yeah for the crisis!

yay indeed. it works for me. i'm sure my new success has been magnified by the stagnation - due to the collapse of the only frightening opposition to my income on the web is rapidly disappearing. the flatulentweb - all the useless unneccessary stuff, being sold and just used, all the wikipedias all the social networks - they are all TOTALLY hit - they are falling. the value of their position on the market is null. nullpointer, if you like. there is no longer anything but a rapidly contractying job market with collapsing salaries. the source of the social networks was the spendthrift debauchery of the salaried classes. this is over. there will be no more babylonian orgiasticism - it has hit the end. christmas was so lame - the orgy has totally caved in. this has been one of the last non-soviet winters in europe. maybe the swiss will dodge it longer, maybe they'll escape - but then again the euro is kicking the pound's *** - i dunno about the swiss franc, do you use euros? if europe is gaining from britain's fall, maybe there are parts of it which are still not yet definitely 3rd world

but as i said, astutely, i need not re-read - this is a war between people who just want to take everything from each other - the rich are fighting each other, beating each other to death. and anyone poor is just the same as ground. they can be walked on, driven on (in iraq, literally, oil is more valuable, and the life of haulage drivers, that they don't stop even to not run over people, it has been reported).


industries worst hit -
manufacture, finance, biz2biz

finance incl = insurance, banks, loans, credit collection (who bought billions of pounds of debt that is now too diseased to stay alive - tonnes of them, ironically, are screwed for money!!! ha ha ha. what'll they do when they get nasty calls and letters)
manu incl = cars (lifeblood of metropolis)
biz2biz incl = more than 50% of the country's money and salary and jobs, at a conservative estimate i'd say, possibly a lot more

there are few sectors surviving in britain yet during xmas spending and optimism still high - it is the january period in which the number of financial destructions (about 10 in the week so far this week, all worth 10s of mills and above) will truly unmask their ferocity and the people who are still chomping petrol station sandwiches driving wastefully on unproductive property sales missions for dying companies don't realize who horrible it will be if they blow their savings and then find themselves screwed and neck deep in floating arses

in germany a billionaire killed himself in the last 72 hours

germany's pretty close to switzerland


does anyone you know work for ubs? i suppose not. i think that no one is safe from the destruction of the economic system (by nature) except the poor - the meek are literally inheriting the earth.

if you're poor - take this seriously: HAVE COD LIVER OIL regularly (capsules are fine). It will improve your life completely.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

if you're poor - take this seriously: HAVE COD LIVER OIL regularly (capsules are fine). It will improve your life completely.

Sounds good, but it might make the massive amounts of beer I drink taste funny. Are you sure the beer drinking alone isn't good enough?

When I find the weight of the world starting to press me down, I try and focus on family, specifically, making another baby. If that doesn't work, cleaning and oiling my weapons always brings a certain calmness and peace of mind. Breathe in ... breathe out.... ok.. Back to polishing the brass on the titanic.....

Beer liver oil? Does beer have livers? I expect a lot of livers have beer.

And I thought you were going to try and toe the line of the popular press and counter my renegade propaganda with status quo propaganda - i thought of proof from the bbc and came to fight back at you: the bbc said a few days ago that bad press is increasing the recession and 'good press' (lies) will help make the recession less painful. within days tonnes of 'good press' has been coated around the absurd bad press like about 192 gigantic corporations going out of business in half a nanosecond this monday, but it turns out you just had some very funny contribution to my cod liver oil advice.

No seriously. Slow down on the beer if you ever get poor! Without a proper diet, booze is counter-productive, as is any form of drug, illegal, age-regulated or otherwise. Cod liver oil is good for boosting immunity and fighting any form of infection within your body. This is useful for people with bad living conditions. Parts of my house, in mid winter, don't rise above 12 degrees, none of it goes above 20 degrees without extra help from a tiny convection heater which I keep aside for my bedroom. The one luxury I retain from my old life. A little bit of heat when I sleep at night! Or i have funny dreams. This morning even WITH the heat I dreamed a horse with a makeshift unicorn's horn / bayonet, conducted out of computer hardware parts, was trying to kill me. i ran around a lot but eventually something happened. either i died or it did. i awoke pretty fast at that point.

Oh yeah. I forgot, I only came here to tell you that - I was in the middle of my work. Back to that then. Good luck polishing brass. I'm sorry for being so mean all the time about the crash. If you do get poor, remember that being poor feels a lot better than being rich, once you've learned how to dodge the difficulties and avoid any kind of bad impulse like using money for anything ever. money is one thing that doesn't feature in the lives of the poor.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

And I thought you were going to try and toe the line of the popular press and counter my renegade propaganda with status quo propaganda

That sounds pretty useless. Propaganda is propaganda. I try to present my thoughts as opinion. My opinion is that people move in herds like cattle. When something spooks the herd, the herd stampedes. You have news outlets, marketing people, doom preachers (you?), religious preachers, and all kinds of other folks trying to change the direction of the herd, but the fact of the matter is the herd goes where it will, and the best you can do is try not to get trampled.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

No seriously. Slow down on the beer if you ever get poor!

I believe it was Churchill who borrowed from Twain when he said, "Never trust a man without vices". Englands greatest PM? Likely, though Maggie was quite good too.

Regarding getting poor, I've been poor, and I've been rich, but it had little to do with money. To my way of thinking, when you have your health, the love of your wife and children, the admiration and respect of your friends, and the fear and respect of your enemies/competition, you are one of the richest people alive, regardless of what your bank statement says.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

If you do get poor, remember that being poor feels a lot better than being rich, once you've learned how to dodge the difficulties and avoid any kind of bad impulse like using money for anything ever. money is one thing that doesn't feature in the lives of the poor.

Why is it that not being able to provide education and food for my family doesn't sound like it would feel very good? Another fine Churchill quote....

"Socialists think profits are a vice. I think losses are the real vice."

Lets not forget the bible doesn't say money is the root of all evil, but rather the love of money. Not sure what the Qur'an says. Personally, I think 50% reduction in property values is a fair and just reaction to a 200% increase in price over a two year time frame.