Here's an example of my work in action. This is NOT the forum where I am talking to genuine politically-versed men, often of senior age with direct experience of a lot of the issues, this is just one of the 200 politics forums I'm "testing" ideas on - in fact politics forums are 90% loudmouthed right wing.
(removed link because it'll create a backwards path, leading gunstroking ******* to come and bother us lofty folk on w-t)

now what you'll see is that my comment was followed by a few right wing nuts talking about buying guns, and also about boycotting hamas (the morons don't seem to understand that israel has blockaded and boycotted hamas and much of palestine for some time - as for gaza - it has been turned into a total prison - 100% boycott, in fact).

but what's key is that an israeli girl then adds a message - wanting to talk. nothing more. wanting to negotiate. because israelis will SUFFER LIKE CRAZY due to my boycott

no doubt the israeli girl is NOT impressed by the 5 right wing americans who responded to a totally civil message by just being abusive, nasty and probably racist (i didn't read more than 2 words of their jive).

that's how this works - the right wing goons will do what they ALWAYS do - shout and jeer and be boorish, but what I have is the power to terrify israelis. and as well as them, to terrify traders in the west who are peddling israeli goods. any trader who wants to survive the recession will, within 2 years, learn to boycott israel purely for profit not politics. israel was built that way, after all, why not take it down that way? now back to forum gathering for me - racing towards 2000 forums on my list - that's the next target, then 3000, then 4000, etc. But hey, this is my life's work now. I will do nothing else, so you can be sure that I WILL definitely broadcast my boycott request to the 300 million people I want to reach. The first few 10s of 1000s will be reached after about a month and a half from now.

Once it starts up, you'll see the result, oh yes - the beauty of a boycott in this financial climate is that it will totally scare the living pants off of western traders. When they hear all the noise, they will react. I also have inside info about how analysts use forums and blogs to measure "consumer concerns" and sell this info to all big corps. that means my 100s of 1000s of messages about boycotting israel will be reported to almost EVERY MAJOR SALES DIRECTOR in the country! I don't leave things to chance. Anyone who knows me really well would, if they had any sympathy for israel, be crapping themselves.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

cwbn, this is an example (below) of why people want to kill israelis.

Forgive me if I don't shed a tear as you justify the desire to kill people. That distinguishes you from them...how?

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

that's exactly why israel should stop being an evil nation right now! my boycott will cripple and crush it. so Israel ought to stop annoying me and 1 bill muslims, and 4.5 bill other people - Israel should stop annoying the whole world. You KNOW Israel is hated by at least 5.5 billion people - imagine how ripe it is for boycott! That's the truth, lad. So watch out. I'ma comin. If I were you I'd change your tune, for there's NO stopping me.

Its this type of crack smoking that makes your posts very hard to read. If you really think 5.5 billion people hate Israel, or at least hate Israel more than they hate Palestine, you've got to put down the crack pipe. I seriously doubt the 1 billion Muslims you mention all hate Israel. Your boycott will crush and cripple Israel? Please. Perhaps these types of idealistic and unrealistic views of reality are what keep your countrymen launching rockets at civilians, crying victim as they hide behind civilians when retaliation comes, and declaring victory as Israel withdraws leaving your country a body littered shambles. Crack smoking is a nasty habit, and it is certainly bad for your health, and in this case, the health of your loved ones.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

Obama has come, whether your avatar likes it or not, and now Israel will fall.

Speaking of crack smoking....
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...660073,00.html
That article has today's date. Some good Obama quotes:
"Our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the region,"

Obama "will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.". Interesting that this is the exact same solution proposed by President George W. Bush. Hardly sounds like "Death to Israel" Hamas is seeking.

Your buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has already started to realize Obama's allegence and policies are going to blow whatever direction the majority of Americans decide they should go, and hes not liking it. Why? Because most Americans still have a fairly fresh and sour taste in their mouth left over from 3000 dead Americans on 9/11 as a result of some terrorist ratbag. The same terrorist ratbag was probably busily chanting "Death to Israel, Death to America" a few weeks prior reaching evolutionary maximum potential in a burning airplane.

okay cwbmx. i shall hereinafter call you CBRN because of your abatar! oops. avatar. but abatar is close to abattoir, and you are pro-abattoir I am against-abattoir.

First, elsewhere in cyberspace I have been using sternly focused surroundings to gradually come up with powerful single debating points in favour of the boycott - the points are all very powerful. They continue to grow. I won't share any with you, but the people I'm sharing them with are overall far too stupid to ever fight back on a grander scale with good argument (the only way to win wars in 2009).

If you come up with even 1 of the 3 good points so far, I'll tell you all 3, but you can't use any of the two that are mentioned (fractionally in terms of wordspace) on my posts in this place.

The third point is overpoweringly good and so I know my hand is getting stronger.

Now for you to chew on is a quote from a side-point, a mere salad of a point, going on elsewhere, where I am getting the best political minds I have access to round a table of egoism, through which I'm getting them to bring out all the good points, by showing me how stupid their arguments are without all the rhetoric.

Here's a random spitting from there, a very useful fact, for boycotting Israel (anyone who wants to put up free hosted pages TODAY, why not quote this on your page...)

The Israeli army is to investigate claims it used white phosphorus illegally during its three-week offensive in Gaza.

Umm, without wishing to appear cynical. Is the Israeli army really the best organisation to be investigating whether it commited war crimes?

Posted Wed 21 Jan 2009, 09:22
Why not?
They investigated the use of cluster bombs against civilians in Lebanon and exonerated themselves. At least untill a UN investigation showed that the unexploded bomblets were American made and could be traced directly to a shipment sent to Israel.
By that time it wasn't news anymore, inside page stuff.

Nothing new in post war propaganda.

I hope moderators will not censor CBRN (or lock this thread) for his crack smoking comment, which is offensive of course, but it would be a shame to suppress dialogue, and I'm finding open-source planning to be quite productive, so I'll raise no objection. He can call me anything he wants but he cannot change the validity of my argument.

by the way CBRN, the third point isn't even about any of the white phosphorous, or cluster bombs, or Rachel Corrie, all of those good points have yet to be added.

If you want to debate, debate. If you want to hurl personal abuse - it's only going to weaken your case (which for now, in absence of any good points, is only that you have any debating points to make).

cheery morning every one. I shall post links to make it easy to set up free sites for boycotting and get on with that myself, all in good time, but there's a lot to do, so don't hold your breath. Do it yourself, if you can.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

If you want to debate, debate. If you want to hurl personal abuse - it's only going to weaken your case (which for now, in absence of any good points, is only that you have any debating points to make).

I hope you don't take the crack smoking comment as personal abuse. I meant it more with a tone of, "Well duh, you don't really believe that nonsense do you?".

Let me throw a little cynicism at you. 260 million Americans were extremely pissed off a few months ago because the cost of gas went from $1.50 a gallon to $5.00 a gallon, making it very difficult to drive an hour to work everyday, or pay for the many products (Groceries for example) that suffered price hikes due to the newly increased cost of transportation. The outcry was huge. Chain letters circulated, "Boycott this gas station, or Boycott that brand of gas". What do you think happened with those boycotts? Nothing. This was a matter very near and dear to every American's(And every other free nation's with a large driving populace) heart because it personally impacted their ability to get by.

Now seriously, given the above information, how many people in the civilized world are going to give heed your cry for Boycott (Which apparently is either sponsored, or heavily endorsed by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) of a LONG laundry list of products most people used daily? This isn't a personal attack, just a reality check. Do you think you could even impact those product sales by 5%?

Hell, lets change the scenario(Prepare for Extreme Cynicism). Lets imagine Hamas wasnt in the business of hiding behind children as they endlessly they launched rockets into a civlian population. Lets Imagine Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's name wasnt anywhere near the request, and instead the request came from a respected individual like the Dali Lami or Nelson Mendela. Lets imagine Israel was the sole agressor in this situation. Even then, do you really think the enough of the consumers of the civilized world would stop buying products from any of the companies you mentioned to put a 5% dent in their sales?

That is what I mean by crack smoking. The cries to "Free Tibet"(A peace loving people) and "Stop Global Warming"(Supposedly a threat to mandkind) have been around a lot longer and, while they have traction, progress is painfully slow.

If you really believe what you put to print, perhaps you should head up the "Free Charles Manson" club. I'm sure Charlie would thank you.

I hope you don't take the crack smoking comment as personal abuse. I meant it more with a tone of, "Well duh, you don't really believe that nonsense do you?".

Ah, "that nonsense". Listen mate, I'm a muslim I see the world with muslim eyes. When people p*** on muslims, I smell the urine.

Architects threaten to boycott Israel over 'apartheid' barrier ...
A group including some of Britain's most prominent architects is considering calling for an economic boycott of Israel's construction industry in protest at ...
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/architects-threaten-to-boycott-israel-over-apartheid-barrier-466131.html - 67k - Cached - Similar pages -


BBC NEWS | Education | Academics back Israeli boycotts
22 Apr 2005 ... UK lecturers vote to support calls for an academic boycott of two universities in Israel.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4472169.stm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages -


UK reporters union to boycott Israel | International | Jerusalem Post
14 Apr 2007 ... By a vote of 66 to 54, the annual delegate's meeting of Britain's largest trade union for journalists called for "a boycott of Israeli goods ...
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Naomi Klein: Enough. It's time for a boycott of Israel | Comment ...
10 Jan 2009 ... Naomi Klein: The best way to end the bloody occupation is to target Israel with the kind of movement that ended apartheid in South Africa.
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/10/naomi-klein-boycott-israel - 106k - Cached - Similar pages -

There's a lot of different peoples boycotting israel. CBRN I hope you can see that there are lots of different credible groups all thinking along the same lines. Your total denial of the truth may not survive that many months longer, you know!

By the way, do you know what CBRN stands for yet?

If you're not in the habit of checking the country of origin on fruit and vegetables to minimise food miles, you may not have noticed just how much Israeli produce is in our shops and supermarkets. At the moment, there are piles of new potatoes (though it's hard to see why anyone with a scrap of environmental awareness would buy these when our indigenous main crop spuds are still firm and abundant), and that's just for starters.
If you go out today and buy avocadoes, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, Medjoul dates, sharon fruit (persimmons), chillies, oranges, pomegranates, grapefruit or fresh herbs, it's extremely likely that they will be Israeli. Most of this produce carries country of origin labelling or is branded as Carmel, Bio-Top or Jaffa. In the herb category, there's room - intentional or otherwise - for confusion. Increasingly your dill, tarragon or basil may be labelled as 'West Bank'. This is not a Palestinian alternative to the Israeli option; it comes from Israeli settlements in Palestine's occupied territories.

Israel's agricultural exporting company, Carmel Agrexco, is one of the biggest suppliers of fresh produce to the UK. As the company puts it:

Israel's sunny climate enables Agrexco to tap the resources of its Carmel growers most of the annum. By lining up other complementary supply sources – such as fruit, vegetable and root crop growers located in countries in the Mediterranean basin, South America, and Africa – the Carmel label is available year-round

An expert in air-freighting with a base near Heathrow, Agrexco supplies the UK with everything from sweetcorn, rocket and radishes through to melons, strawberries and kumquats, so delivering the 'permanent global summertime' of horticultural produce that food retailers have educated British consumers to expect.
As a business, it's impressive, but I don't intend to buy any of it. For people aware of the recent horror that unfolded in Gaza and the emerging evidence of the scale of destruction, this cornucopia of fruit and vegetables represents a ready-made target for taking personal action in our daily lives to express disapproval at Israel's ongoing aggression against the Palestinian people.
We can use the same tactic against Israel that was so effective in showing up South Africa as the apartheid state it once was. The parallels with South Africa are striking. Writing in the Guardian, Naomi Klein recently reminded us of the words of Ronnie Kasrils, a prominent South African politician, who said in 2007 that the segregation he saw in the West Bank and Gaza was "infinitely worse than apartheid".
So what, exactly, is he talking about? While we have been munching our way through its avocadoes, Israel has demolished Palestinian homes, evicted their occupants and expropriated their land and water resources. It has illegally colonised productive Palestinian land with waves of settlers. A boycott of Israeli fruit and vegetables, as opposed to other sorts of boycott (academic, sporting), is particularly apt because horticulture has been a major plank of Israeli expansion. Medjoul dates in the Jordan Valley, for example, base their operations on confiscated Palestinian land, in contravention of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

As if that wasn't enough, Israel has effectively imprisoned Palestinians with checkpoints, an illegal wall and an oppressive system of travel permits and colour-coded identity cards, so scuppering Palestinian economic development. As OXFAM told the House of Commons International Development Committee (pdf), costs for Palestinians who want to export products are up to 70% higher than for Israelis. Settlers in the West Bank get direct access to markets in and through Israel without the disruptive road blocks and transfers faced by the Palestinians who are obliged to rely on Israeli intermediaries. The revenue from taxes and customs goes to Israel, which costs the Palestinian economy 3% of its GDP a year.
Left to develop its agricultural economy, Palestine could be a fertile and productive land. Olive oil used to be a profitable export crop but according to the Applied Research Institute in Jerusalem, over 500,000 ancient olive trees have been bulldozed and cut down since 2000 (see zaytoun.org) to make way for the construction of Israeli settlements, settler-only roads and the Separation Wall. Yet in recent years, and despite all the odds stacked against them, marginalised Palestinian growers have produced good extra virgin olive oil, recently gaining organic status for some of their production.
Palestinian growers tenaciously produce the Nabali green olive (pickled in the Palestinian tradition with olive oil, water and salt) tree-ripened black olive, the Middle Eastern favourite Za'atar (a herb and seed mix of wild thyme, toasted sesame and sour-tasting sumac berries), Medjoul dates from Jericho, and the celebrated large, sweet 'Om Al-Fahem' almond grown in Jenin. All this is available through the ethical business, Zaytoun. It also used to sell couscous from a women's co-operative in Gaza, but even before the latest bombardment, Israel's tightening seige of Gaza made any type of export from that area impossible.
With intractable political conflicts, sometimes it's hard to see how individual action can make even the slightest difference. But fruit and vegetable exports to Europe are crucial to the Israeli economy, representing 80% of that country's total exports. The UK is its largest market, eating up a 60% share. Carmel Agrexco itself is 50% owned by the Israeli state, so a consumer boycott of agricultural produce exerts direct economic pressure where it matters.
By refusing to buy Israeli produce, ethically-minded consumers can be part of the wider Boycott Israeli Goods campaign (BIG) and add to the international condemnation of Israel's tactics in Palestine. The reasons for a boycott precede the most recent open conflict and are ever-more important. Even if the current shaky ceasefire holds, Gaza will still be an open prison and Palestine will still be a country whose food economy is actively sabotaged by its powerful neighbour. Just at the moment, many people don't have any appetite for Israeli produce. A boycott gives us something to do about it.

Within Israel itself there is a strong sense of guilt about what has gone on...

Israelis have launched a website calling for assistance in apprehending and prosecuting alleged Zionist war criminals, allegations based upon their activities during the christmas slaughter of Palestinians known as ' Operation Cast Lead'

Quote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1057351.html

The site, www.wanted.org.il, includes "arrest orders," complete with pictures and personal details, for defence Minister Ehud Barak, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Deputy defence Minister Matan Vilnai, Public Security Minister Avi Dichter, National Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi and his two predecessors, Dan Halutz and Moshe Ya'alon, former air force commander Eliezer Shkedy and others. It also explains how to inform the International Criminal Court in The Hague of when the "suspects" are outside Israel, and hence vulnerable to arrest.


http://www.wanted.org.il/ehud_barak_en.htm


This is no minor protest. In response, the Zionist government has already ordered IOF personnel to consult with them before traveling abroad and has ordered censorship upon the Israeli press concerning details of the accused and the parts they played.

And this is really quite important:

There is evidence that Israel committed war crimes during its 22-day campaign in the Gaza Strip and there should be an independent inquiry, UN investigator Richard Falk said on Thursday.

"To lock people into a war zone is something that evokes the worst kind of international memories of the Warsaw Ghetto, and sieges that occur unintentionally during a period of wartime," Falk, who is Jewish, said, referring to the starvation and murder of Warsaw's Jews by Nazi Germany in World War Two.

"There could have been temporary provision at least made for children, disabled, sick civilians to leave, even if where they left to was southern Israel," the U.S. professor said.

Falk said the entire Gaza population, which had been trapped in a war zone with no possibility to leave as refugees, may have been mentally scarred for life. If so, the definition of casualty could be extended to the entire civilian population.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058196.html

by the way when did you get this stupidly crazy idea that Mahmoud Ahmedinejad pays me?!! Are you mad? What kind of a mad nutter are you? You just pick things like that out of the air - first you call me a crack addict, then you say I get paid by criminal governments, this is typical of people with no facts on their side.

As for motivating people to make purchases - trust me, I'm an Asian and I'm a sales expert - I can sell things easily, and I can easily sell alternatives to people - but right now as a bigot you are unaware of how many people are fully receptive to the boycott. It's going to be amazing!

By the way the British police and legal systems are firmly on the side of the Palestinians. We arrest Israeli war criminals in Britain, when we get the chance:

Scotland Yard allowed a suspected war criminal to escape Britain because officers feared an attempt to stop him would lead to a gun battle at Heathrow airport, police documents seen by the Guardian reveal.The former senior Israeli officer was supposed to be detained as he arrived in London for a speaking engagement after a British court had ordered his arrest.
But detectives watched on as he landed and hid on the plane for two hours, before flying off to escape justice.
In the documents, counter-terrorism police say they did not try to board the Israeli civilian jet partly because they feared armed guards on the plane would open fire on British officers.
A UK court had issued a secret arrest warrant for Major General Doron Almog over alleged war crimes under the Geneva conventions of ordering the demolition of 59 civilian Palestinian homes.
Israeli diplomats were tipped off after Almog's plane left Israel on September 11 2005. Once it landed in London, a military attaché from the Israeli embassy boarded the jet and warned Almog to stay on board. He refused to leave the plane until it took off again for Israel, two hours later.
UK police were waiting to arrest him at the immigration desk inside the terminal.
The war crimes arrest warrant was issued by senior district judge Timothy Workman, after an application by British lawyers acting for Palestinian victims of the demolition in 2002, in Gaza.
Under British law, war crimes should be treated so seriously that even if they are committed abroad, UK courts have jurisdiction to try suspects.
Almog, commanding officer of the Israeli defence forces' southern command from December 2000 - July 2003, was due to arrive at Heathrow airport at 1.25pm on a flight belonging to El Al, Israel's national carrier. The airline refused Scotland Yard permission to board the plane.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/fe...hepalestinians

so are you saying that Scotland Yard are heavily into freeing charlie manson, you promoter of murder?

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

Ah, "that nonsense". Listen mate, I'm a muslim I see the world with muslim eyes. When people p*** on muslims, I smell the urine.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. You perception of reality comes through a filter you call "muslim eyes" when, at the end of the day, reality is just reality, regardless of your religion. For instance, some people feel strapping a bomb on their chest and running into a shopping mall filled with women and children will get them to heaven where 40 virgins await them very quickly. Now not having died and come back, I cannot verify the truth, or lack of truth in this belief, so from where I sit, "reality" is that person is dead and guilty of murdering innocents, and if there is a god, I hope that person is held accountable by that god.

Another example might be gravity. Your belief system might say gravity doesnt exist, but at the end of the day, reality is reality, so trying to defy gravity might just get you killed.

One thing is certain. It will be very hard for Palestinians to build sympathy while they continue to launch rockets into a civilian population and hide behind women and children. Thats just reality, regardless of whether you are looking at the world through muslim eyes, or any others.

That said, by all means work on this boycott, or the freedom of Charlie Manson, or the ability to fold space with your mind. I certainly didnt mean to insult the work, only to provide insight as to the likely results.

And for the record, I didnt say Mahmoud Ahmedinejad pays you. I said he is busily promoting a boycott of Israel as you are. Again, reality.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

Within Israel itself there is a strong sense of guilt about what has gone on...
And this is really quite important:

Any boxer will tell you, that every being has some portion of them telling them to get out of the ring, especially when your opponent is hammering you with blows. Just lay down..... end this thing.... give up. Thats the voice that every successful boxer shuts out and ignores.

Its no different in America or in Palestine. I strongly suspect the civilian's Hamas hides behind after they launch rockets towards Israel have a "strong sense of guilt" about it and wish they would stop.

Yes I've hit the nail on the head - if an opinion comes from a muslim, some people just don't consider it valid! (this is a VERY STUPID POINT YOU MAKE - since i can lead you to 100s of people i personally have contact with who think israel is a total criminal state, and none of them are muslim, these 100 people i can point you to - some of them are even READING THIS! but they won't post here, it's not really for them to do my work)

Anyway, CB, you may be the only person apart from my most trusted mentor I can ask this question to, that's been burning me all morning.

You see, I too have needs, I too succumb to material desires, and all the work I'm doing can go either way. When I fire out my qassams (they're always going to be called qassams) either I can propagate the boycott (and this week I have dug up lots of useful facts and tools - above all the knowledge of how much israeli money is dependent on european shoppers, the majority of whom are HAPPY to boycott israel, as much as they were about boycotting s. africa) , OR... well you know full well what i can do. ching ching.

I saw this chick in a bmw yesterday, maybe she went too fast to stop and give me one of those looks, but sensitivity-to-humility-and-arrogance aside, I do get a lot of nice looks from nice lasses in my life. Looks, as frank will tell you, count for bugger all. A kiss is still a kiss - a sigh is just a sigh - the fundamental things apply as you get old and creaky. I'm only heading for my mid-life crisis, though, not for senility just yet.

So I'm sitting here, and I can use what I've already built so far and, as I had planned for when I hit the first 1000 forums, I can use it to boost my own income, right now. An immediate attack will result in a few 100 quid fairly fast, a lot of money for tardis upgrades, and a nice coffee cake to have with my tea (although my homemade biscuits are lovely, I'll post some of them to some of you in good time, I'm very sure!).

So it's not actually an easy thing to do. Each day, I am reminded that glamour and pleasure can be mine, even though so far I am allowed, by society, almost as little as a palestinian. Since I made my disney thread I have personally killed 3 mice, and the stench of dead mice still won't leave the parts of my house outside this one room I am in - I am still on my knees as I work. There is no other place for my machine.

People I care about used to treat me like the plague because I used to smoke weed - 3 months ago, I quit it, for good (in the name of love, no less) (and that's why any remarks you make about drugs are deeply troubling to me, but you weren't to know). Since then the people who treat me like the plague stopped doing that. But if they knew that I have a chance to have fast cash (they don't care about passive income machines - they don't even understand what one is - these are people still, even now, making property deals - only today I heard them discussing one, for example) and that I'm putting it all into this boycott - they would actually return to treating me like the plague - they would take back my gains that I got from learning to behave well, just to suit those I love (family, friends, and, well maybe, maybe her... the "one" I love - but hey - today is a day of hard choices).

So CB (I'm sorry, but it's stuck now, i just see you as CBRN - chemical biological radiological nuclear) since you gave me the idea in the first place for the boycott (your golden toilet seat did it), maybe you hold the answer, eh?

If I get off my high horse right now, and return to being scum, I can do what JV17 does, but much more professionally. I already ran 2 separate tests and MINTED it off the traffic, in terms of dollars per click. Plus I didn't pay a penny for the clicks. I had planned to be launching enough RIGHT NOW, already, to have a few 100 quid stacking up. My life would be so good. I have a passive income machine that's growing just fine and will take care of my future - I'll have 1k a month within a year (from a machine that requires little or no management past a certain point) and if I work at it, it will rise to 2, 3, 4, up to 10k within a couple of years - and I'll stick with that, make my business generally stick at a reasonable level of income and live my life off it, and look after a family - I most of all want kids, more than anything, right now. After what I've seen. People for a long time made me think I was not responsible enough, but in truth most of them weren't, and I was, and am more so now.

So I can take my plans and shove them in the bin, I can put on my tradesman's mask again and set off to burn through the 1200 or so forums I have gathered so far and start raking for gold. It's good work, reliable work and pays well (you don't think there'd be 200 spammers a day on these forums if it DIDN'T PAY!)

But what's the right choice. What is the moral choice? I know in my heart that I don't want that girl to love me for my money. And besides, I know she won't - you know when she was younger she turned down advances from a kuwaiti prince. So it's clear she's not really looking for some rich man who can sweep her away with cash. But so many others are - I see them all the time. I could get a tranquil life anyway, marry someone beautiful and brilliant-minded, but maybe not as brave and honourable as the one I so far seem to want to pledge my life to.

It's not just about love now, though is it? i haven't told anyone who will boycott me, that I am going to use my sales tool to help palestine.

the financial facts are clear -

say it made 250k for me, over 3 years, right? well that's a lot. but if i used that to try and help palestinians - 250k wouldn't last more than a day or do more than a gramme of good in the face of a tonne of evil.

but if i use the tool the way i'm planning, it'll do the same work as say 100 billion pounds of money spent directly in palestine.

so even as a businessman i have to admit, palestine ought to win this battle in my heart.

If I am patient, my 'tardis' will give me enough money to enjoy life anyway. And I don't know if I have what it takes to do 2 years of slavery just for MONEY! Since it's been about saving lives, I've found I am unstoppable and my work seems "infinitely motivated" - I won't stop doing this at all, I know, if I take that as my motivation. But if it's about money... I dunno. I don't think I'm motivated to do that. I had a 70k job in the city and my manager was a tosser, so I told him so - I mean I had to. And I lost my job. He really really was a tosser. I think my co-workers there respect me because of that far more than they respect those who are happier to take the 70k and do what the tosser wants. He really deserved to be put in his place, and I'm sure that since no one ever opposed him, since it was that kind of company, just muttering tosser under my breath loud enough for him and the sales team to hear, at the end of a valid sentence in which i straightened out his blind approach to humans, was enough to say "yeah? you can dangle 140k in front of me and I still won't be your *****".

So, since I obviously have no interest in your political views or pragmatic views relating to my boycott (which WILL work, trust me) there is only one thing I can hope to figure out from you - since you did come up with the golden toilet seat and it WAS valid - the boycott IS my golden toilet seat - it'll make me feel better.

But is it really wise? To put others first? To abscond from the dosh/money/spondulix, to let my work, every day, go entirely to charity, entirely to the benefit of others? Aside, of course, from a staple amount of work i do each day on my passive income machine?

People who try and bring me down for my ideals, and wall me in with poverty, are not weak, and I am not so secure until I have enough money to escape the slum!

But I think this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I think that I can put out a big message in the world and see that message reacted to, and see people power in action - true democracy. After all, whatever you may say, the vast majority of Europeans absolutely oppose Israel's apartheid and their leaders have been trying hard for years to fight it, blocked by Bush's America - but where is Bush now? Do you think your loved hero Obama (i'm just kidding, i know YOU hate him) is going to save israel from europe any more? Personally I doubt it.

And the girl? Sure I'll probably lose her either way. That's my own failure. I suspect i did it years ago. I may never find someone I can truly love - but that's not going to be "helped" just by taking the cash for myself and buying myself that orgiastic parisian soiree? Or closer to home, plenty nice girl in brixton happy to get jiggy. My mate the dj has plenty gigs, hell when i walk through brixton, the very road dances around me, with the joy of being in da hood. my karma is just - "a man of the hood" - as I walk along places like that, I get so much friendliness, I am so much part of the world (it's a far cry from richmond and skinheads!)

I don't think that it would be anything but weak of me to take the cash. I CAN still take the cash. My qassams are unlaunched. I can return to the original plan and merely advertise the hell out of my money machine, and sit back and wonder if I really could have saved palestine.

What would you do, I wonder? Probably buy a golden toilet seat. Does your maid not chip bits out of the bottom of the seat? scrape away a layer of gold and take it to her jeweler?

Anyway. I don't have anyone really to ask this question to, strange that I am taking it to what is in essence the worst enemy of my soul! My mentor number 1, he would never not back me in this, I'm sure he's glad for my soul. The woman i love - if she understood what's going on here, I suspect she'd back me the same. My mum, my dad, my brothers, my uncles, aunts, cousins - if they knew what I was doing, maybe 1 or 2 of them would back me, not the rest.

money is money. people put it before everything.

i'm here with nothing and I can get money today. I can get back on the jv17 tip and just go clean up


it's been a wordy post, one only cbrn will read, since bitterly opposed people are more likely to pay detailed attention to each other!

as a human, what would YOU do? take the money? i don't think i'm capable of it. inside me, thoughts of fit chicks in bmws, thoughts of paris, of namibia (where i wanna go and investigate ancient rock art, as it holds the secret to human social history) plague me. most of my closest friends i respect would NEVER back me in a mission to give away lots of money to a good cause instead of keeping it for my own "good" cause!

i would have way more options, maritally.
(but what is "more"? it's not better? maybe the few options i have are good enough - women who love the soul, not the wallet)

strangely, if I let go of love for the arab girl i want to die for - well, that'd make it easier to make the choice. palestine 100% would win then, because it's been my cause for so many years, and all is well in my life other than her, so really there's no reason at all for me to be dissatisfied with just workin on this boycott nonstop now - if i could just get her out of my heart and head. it goes both ways, if she stays in palestine for good, she's a palestinian. and i think she may possibly be planning that. this is what i have come to understand. so when i defend palestinians, it is enhanced by the fact that the woman i love IS a palestinian. at least, she appears to be becoming one.

in a few years she'll give up and come home, i'm sure - i've had many friends and relatives working in the development world abroad (most intelligent asians and arabs in london quickly realise they will never get paid properly within western industry, nor allowed much seniority for a long time - take statements of the highest ranking black and asian british police officers for evidence if you wanna pretend i'm talking nonsense - and so the really good ones go off and work for amnesty, ford foundation, aga khan, united nations, etc etc).

what would all those people want? the asians and arabs who give their lives to working so hard.

i can be rich, and JUST like you, cb. when i'm 60 and i meet a 30 year old wanting to help the world, i can say "don't do it, buy yourself something nice instead".

i really don't know what is the best plan any more. luckily i don't have to make a decision yet. on the anniversary of rachel corrie's death - that's my deadline. on that day if i haven't fired my qassams yet, that's the day i'll start firing them. for palestine or for money. i'm still not sure what i'm really going to do.

i know that EITHER way i'm alone, very alone and i will not really allow too many others into my space and my life. people couldn't handle either of my choices - great wealth corrupts. and as for war - well you keep women and children and friends and family OUT of it.

when i was 16 a great american veteran and activist and artesan who had moved to london took me on as a sort of literary apprentice and taught me so much about how you take care of people you love in the face of so much virulent evil.

he died long before sep 11th. I know what he would want me to do right now. he'd say - do it. boycott the muthafreakers. oh yes. he, and the grenadian woman who brought me up because my capitalist-run household was too geared toward materialism so,luckily, left my mind in the hands of a total mental anarchist, the woman who, above all, taught me to rant rant rant rant rant.

I have so many people I owe this to. I can just jerk myself off instead - i.e. take all the pleasure for myself and share it with no one - all that money. ALL mine. Like saying I'm not happy that I have a machine that makes money without constant labour - not happy that I CAN live a moderate life now. That I want more. Lots more. Excess.

But here's the thing. And this was in my thoughts earlier and it is the real answer to the question (so maybe I'm just telling you, not asking):

with property/possessions - comes insurance, security, maintenance, and a world of "responsibility" which is actually unnecessary pain in a good man's life. if i have enough shelter, and enough to eat, and can educate my children, and give my wife whatever she needs to be happy... why do i need millions? the truth is i DO NOT. i have seen men with millions still miserable, alone and living STUPID lives even in their 60s.

when palestine is free, there'll be a big party all over london. i can go there and have fun. the party will be free too. the best things in life always are! palestine one day will be one of the best things in my life - because it'll be free.

well, that's my £212.30, plus vat, at the old rate.

it's been helpful talking to you - and to many neocons like you on other forums - they make it clear how easy a boycott is. if my business conversion rate impressed me, i'm going have my socks knocked out if i can measure my boycott conversion rate! but it'll only be measurable when i've launched it out at a few 10 million internet users.

anyone with a brain can see there's no truth in your arguments (you have made 1 or 2 claims over and over and all of them are fully disproved by the national and international press, the UNITED NATIONS, the british POLICE, aned so many credible bodies it's laughable that YOU think you have a case!) and anyone with a heart can see i'm doing the right thing

but rest assured, your words are only good when dealing with idiots who don't know where to look for facts, and as such they are pointless - because i am targetting the intelligent, and they will LEAD the idiots. we live in a society of sheep. i remember talking on a political forum and i wrote something and someone responded in error with a criticism they later retracted since it was inaccurate. before they retracted it 14 people had posted, echoing that man's criticism, insulting me. he told me that it just went to show what sheep people are.

anyway well over 100 million europeans are happy to boycott israel, well over 50 million americans are probably happy to do so too (did they vote for mccain????? did they?)

i have might on my side, which is RARE for any opponent of israel. if i put my sword of peace down now, i may as well change my name to Ariel and go and knock down some palestinian houses myself.

next week i'm going to the hood to help build more of that bedroom i'm helping build for a young boy whose future would be NOTHING if left in the hands of men like you! i was there on obama's victory day! it was a happy night in the hood. people were amazingly happy. out in the richer parts of town they were oblivious to it - more interested in fireworks night - loud bangs and bright lights capturing their attention far more easily than the first black president in history!

so what does a guy do? have i talked myself into standing firm, being strong, and making sure i use my sales power FOR palestine and not against it??

Well you'll all find out by mid march, won't you? If you don't see boycott noise coming out of every corner of cyberspace, then you know - i've retired from being a good timelord and changed my name to "the master".

there's no easy logical thread passing through this post. it's a bit of a pastiche. but it speaks to me loudly and clearly - it says...

I don't know you
And you don't know the half of it
I had a starring role
I was the bad guy who walked out
They said be careful where you aim
'cause where you aim you just might hit
You can hold onto something so tight
You've already lost it

Dragging me down
That's not the way it used to be
You can't even remember
What I'm trying to forget

It was a dirty day
Dirty day

You're looking for explanations
I don't even understand
If you need someone to blame
Throw a rock in the air
You'll hit someone guilty

From father to son
In one life has begun
A work that's never done
Father to son

(And love...one last kiss in time)
[Repeat 3 times]

Get it right
There's no blood thicker than ink
Hear what I say
Nothing's simple as you think

Wake up
Some things you can't get around
I'm in you
More so when they put me in the ground

These days, days, days run away like horses over the hill
These days, days, days run away like horses over the hill...
[Repeat and fade until end]

i love that last bit... [Repeat and fade until end]


(i'm now listening to Prince Buster's "Al Capone" - you know it, it goes... my name is not Scarface, my name is Capone).




This is my last word on the boycott cbrn. The rest is just action. And any posts you add here will merely serve to undermine you, since you have a bigoted point of view which will help me enormously. To reduce my chances of success, don't post about israel on my 2 political threads any more! But hell, why am i helping the enemy - post as much as you like - tell me exactly why locking women and children into gaza and killing them is "defence"!

have i suffocated your thoughts now CBRN? will you give up trying to fight me? it would be wise. no one's ever beaten me. i'm 1000% more the nutter i was decades ago, when the nutter that i am first met opponents! in ten years, i'll be another 1000% nuttier. there's no point trying to stop me. the only thing you can do is talk israelis into removing their apartheid - before i remove israel! (evil laugh follows)

And people say I ramble....

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

the boycott IS my golden toilet seat - it'll make me feel better.

Sounds like we agree on something!

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

I think that I can put out a big message in the world and see that message reacted to, and see people power in action - true democracy.

Actually, the election of Hamas to power in Palestine was a terrific example of "true democracy" in action. They(Hamas) quickly dismantled the ability to vote them out of power which goes some distance to show that maybe Democracy doesnt work so hot amongst the uneducated.

As far as Obama is concerned, he is my president. We don't launch rockets and kill women and children and destroy property when we feel slighted here in the U.S.(though the recent Oakland riots were an embarassment). You didnt see Bush trying to cling to power like the fine examples who criticized him loudly /cough Chavez. Besides, I'm happy with Obama, even the recent Gitmo closure document. Soon, many Gitmo detainees will be sent to their home countries where they will beg and pray for a ticket back to Gitmo. Those who would be returned to country's that would free them (Yemen), he left an escape clause to deal with them individually. The rest will receive justice (Military or Civilian) in the U.S.. Sure some will go free and return to the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Americans (about 10% of those already freed from Gitmo have this disposition), but I see that as a good thing too. I feel pretty confident that those who re-appear in the theatre of combat will be sent to meet their 40 virgins a lot faster than we could ever do it through Gitmo. And with that, I'll change my avatar, long overdue since the election.

Edit: I forgot to mention. If, God forbid, some Gitmo A-hole returns to perpetrate terror on U.S. soil under Obama's watch, after a 7 year period without under Bush, the changes to the political landscape in the U.S. will be interesting to watch.

let us quit while we're ahead, since we agree on what will make me feel better! me and a lot of palestinians. don't worry. the former white rulers of south africa and all the pro-apartheid people who were once its "people" (and the rest dogs) are ALL fine now. nobody killed em. in fact many of them are starting to like black people (but it takes time, you have to let it grow). so no one has anything to fear from my boycott. it is only a good thing.

We don't launch rockets and kill women and children and destroy property

They're telling a different story in Pakistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, probably other places too. Japan... there's some serious allegations about the what female children being raped by US servicemen (covers all three if you see the rocket as a phallic symbol, which it obviously is).

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

They're telling a different story in Pakistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, probably other places too. Japan... there's some serious allegations about the what female children being raped by US servicemen (covers all three if you see the rocket as a phallic symbol, which it obviously is).

Let me re-phrase. We don't launch rockets within our own country, or at our immediate neighbors.

I'd rather have one really slutty girl that knew what she was doing than 40 virgins..

**** ........ that's some time you have on your hands. That's a 3,700 word post!

Anyways, since when is an entire people responsible for something?

when is one of these right wing goons going to acknowledge that the war crimes israel has been committing have been declared illegal throughout europe and much of the non-northamerican world?

I wonder. As if it matters.

Did any of you know that during the boycott of South Africa, the usa (and of course israel, s. africa's closest ally) did NOT join the boycott, and did NOT support europe in trying to close apartheid down? Did you know that israel and USA vetoed the U.N. motion to stop apartheid and release mandela? He was in jail 5 years more after that, and apartheid went on for 5 years more - israel AND THE USA both insisted that there was no problem with white rule in south africa.

But WE (the europeans) still closed it down, as we (the europeans) are definitely going to do to apartheid israel.

There are, btw, andrei, a MAJORITY OF JEWS (outside israel) who no longer wish to tolerate israel's war crimes. So these usual right wing arguments aren't any match for what's going on. (actually WE the europeans closed down slavery - centuries ago - we were the first to make it illegal - the muslims, americans, all carried on a long time after we had made it illegal and started punishing people within our reach for such atrocity... yes. you see i am not just a "muslim" (and an atheist one at that). i'm a european. not just that. i'm british. that makes the ground i stand on very strong. so as i was saying, the british and eventually other europeans forced slavery to be removed, gradually - but then some kind of twisted shift of values created the british empire and colonialism, WHICH WE THEN undid - britain renounced it and now the right wing bnp people are a fringe minority whose opinions are mocked widely, whereas in the USA the equivalent is really the right wing party! in britain a jew or muslim could ONLY become prime minister by being in the right wing party, which just goes to show how different britain is to the rest of "babylon")

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so, on with the vital info:

here's some facts snipped from you from where INTELLIGENT commentators post (on this techie forum, the intelligent people seem {ah the shot in the foot} to stay out of the politics area!)

The invasion of Palestine provoked resistance. The resistance didn't provoke the invasion. Zionist extra-judicial killings of Palestinians broke the six-month truce, not Hamas. 'Rockets' and 'incursions' aren't even a 'chicken-and-egg' situation. The invasion clearly preceded Palestinian resistance and the formation of Palestinian groups opposed to invasion.

The Zionist occupation of Palestine is illegal, condemned as such under international law. There are no 'sides' in this 'conflict', just muggers and their victims. Zionism needs war and the theft of territory . It's the nature of the beast.


By rejection of the impossible terms of the Quartet. Hamas are the elected government, Abbas's term as President has officially ended. Palestine is due for fresh Presidential elections immediately and general elections in a year. It appears that Hamas has been strengthened considerably in both Gaza and the West Bank, and most certainly amongst the five-million odd refugee diaspora, by the Zionists' most recent brutal attack.
At least two other world States have deligitimized Israel as a result of recent events. Turkey is calling for Israel to be suspended from the UN. The political wheels are rolling and Hamas has nothing but time and growing support.


Daniel Friedman, the Israeli justice minister, has been appointed to lead a defence team should war crimes charges be brought following the 22-day war on Gaza.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 65804.html





yes andrei, i could spend more time enjoying myself, but i choose to spend my time thinking and acting on behalf of those who suffer

when first came to this forum i was, like you, still scum - my only game was to make more money for me and give no ****s, not a single one, for the world, for people who suffer, for anyone.

but i learned, oh yes. i don't know how. some kind of mixup between love and war, fear and security... but i am PROUD (as are all the good people i know) of the time and effort i am giving palestine. i shall as i said give most of the hours of most days for the next 2 years to palestine.

don't worry i have plenty of dates. i'm just not the kind of moron who thinks that there are generic rules about how you spend your time, what's cool and what's not.

i'm not here to harp on about my social life, nor tell you of the various reasons why you might actually find i am nowhere near the kind of person you are starting to decide i am, which is a shame - i do love to tell people about the amazing things i've done, the amazing people i've met. and i've met a LOT of amazing people, many of them famous. and i've done a LOT of amazing stuff, stories that could go on for 100,000 words, not just 4000. but i don't jerk off like that. copypasting someone's forum post into an application just to do a wordcount so you can mock them is, in my opinion, DEFINITELY jerking off.

i'm glad only right wing nuts are replying to my experimental post here.
what i want the other people to do is just join the boycott, and not get involved in debate. what i really should stop doing is caring even a jot about what these right wing nuts have to say. i have seen from a week of research of the press and numerous forums that the truth about israel's criminality is far from obscured and most of the intelligent world is ready to act. i know that by pushing hard for a boycott with the power of so many many years of advertising and development experience is by no means some pointless drop in an ocean. I hope that anyone reading this who isn't right wing understands why i'm doing this and what kind of person i am - that is important because it makes it clear whether what i'm doing is good or bad. and i know it's good because the six or seven people with wildly different opinions about most of my actions seem to all concur - this is something really good i am doing, and if i stop, i'll be throwing away the one thing in my life that will actually deserve some respect. money doesn't deserve respect. so what if i can make money come out of thin air? So can a LOT of total bastards. What really counts, is if you can make love come out of thin air. If where you go, people feel warmed by the soul of the human spirit. Now THAT's something I still need to learn to be, and I'm trying, and this donation of my time and business machines to palestine (and after that many other needy peoples) is my first step. It is definitely not a false step.

Enough with the motivational speeches. You guys have this thread. It's all yours. My boycott is operating across 100s of 1000s of pages in cyberspace, each of them drawing in 1000 to 10,000 readers, so you can imagine how much I give a **** about 2 or 3 right wing nerks who think that putting your time into something is uncool. How you gonna stop me if you don't believe in the same work ethic as me? I am happy to work 15+ hours on this every day for 2 years AND BEYOND, and I don't find it uncool - because for 2 years, living in total poverty, I have happily worked such hours just to get myself out of a rubbish life. I have something which you 3 don't really have - a sense of responsibility.

Now goodbye. And don't bother talkin to me! Until the boycott is over (due to the removal of apartheid in israel) you are the enemy.

I will say this much more, though: this lyric poetry below is what I feel for every "palestinian" on our planet - everyone like a palestinian, abused, victim of a marauding unstopped violent maniac, and as you can see from the way the lyric moves, from subject to object,object to subject, it's for all of us, this song, even me, even all you poor struggling "webmasters" (advertisers is a better word, eh?) out there, for the poor hippy bleeding-heart people trying to do their job to help the needy - it's a song which sums up how it all works from here, with me as the centre of gravity (as mandela says, sometimes you have to let go of the vanity of not showing your greatness in order not to seem arrogant)...

When the night has come
And the land is dark
And the moon is the only light we'll see
No I won't be afraid, no I won't be afraid
Just as long as you stand, stand by me
And darlin', darlin', stand by me, oh now now stand by me
Stand by me, stand by me
If the sky that we look upon
Should tumble and fall
And the mountains should crumble to the sea
I won't cry, I won't cry, no I won't shed a tear
Just as long as you stand, stand by me
And darlin', darlin', stand by me, oh stand by me
Stand by me, stand by me, stand by me-e, yeah
Whenever you're in trouble won't you stand by me, oh now now stand by me
Oh stand by me, stand by me, stand by me
Darlin', darlin', stand by me-e, stand by me
Oh stand by me, stand by me, stand by me

That is all. (as the tannoy used to say, at school, at the end of announcements during morning break... ah the tuck shop. that's one for the materialism thread. oh those chocolate doughnuts).

even you three or four objectors... whenever you're in trouble, the likelihood is your best bet is to stand by me. do a forum search. who knows. maybe i already helped one or more of you lot on this very website!

it's 9am on sunday and i'm busy gathering forums, blogs and other useful urls and info for my Qassam 300,000*. is it uncool to be dedicated to something andrei? is loyalty not part of your lifeplan?


*for full explanations, visit many of my previous posts - all of them, to get a full context!