Found this quote last night ... it is PRICELESS in my opinion.


" You don't pray in my school, I won't think in your church "

You are so right Cls1321, it is priceless, thanks for sharing!

Mine is, "As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school."

I'm very much against prayer led by a school official; it's a blatant violation of our constitutional rights. But the First Amendment not only prohibits an establishment of a state religion (which the example I gave is) but also prohibits government interference in the free exercise thereof should individuals choose to pray. Schools everywhere have become so militant against the latter of these it is nauseating. No wonder schools have become so slack in educating our kids: They don't want them to know when their rights are being trampled all over by their schools and government.

tim

Originally Posted by cls1321

Found this quote last night ... it is PRICELESS in my opinion.


" You don't pray in my school, I won't think in your church "

Hum, what is wrong with thinking in Chruch. God did give us brains right?

The Pharasies(sp? think I'm close) weren't on Jesus favorite people list.

Well here is my religious quote. "If religion is the opium of the masses the rock and roll must be cocaine."

'Rock and roll is my religion and my '[does Ozzy say law or love?]

'When I was stone blue rock and roll really helped me through'

Originally Posted by Zrocker

Hum, what is wrong with thinking in Chruch. God did give us brains right?

Point being in that quote is, nobody who believes in religion is thinking about it. They are just going with the flow and believing everything they are told. When you really look back throughout history and study religion, it is hard to remain religious. I used to be ... than I got smart.

Originally Posted by cls1321

Point being in that quote is, nobody who believes in religion is thinking about it. They are just going with the flow and believing everything they are told. When you really look back throughout history and study religion, it is hard to remain religious. I used to be ... than I got smart.

I think the quote is more of a commentary on the church rather than religion. I think you're going to have a hard time arguing your point if you're making general statements that apply to every religious person. Do you have anything to back your point up with or are you just spiteful toward religion in general?

There are fundamentalists in every niche of society, not just the religious. I don't apologize for being a Christian just because of the ones who use the name but probably shouldn't. I have friends and carry on intelligent dialogue with people from many faiths, yes, even atheists, agnostics, pagans, many others. That dialogue does require open-mindedness and thinking, mind you. But there are those in many niches, again, with whom it is impossible to have such dialogue, amongst them many fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist atheists.

tim

Those who advocate prayer in school act as if it is illegal to pray in school, as if you will be penalized for doing so. There is nothing wrong with voluntary prayer, which is as it is, and as it should be. When officials start leading everyone together each day, there starts to be trouble.

<sarcasm>How about if we just have officially led meditation and mantra chanting instead?</sarcasm>

I wonder how the folks who advocate led prayer in school would react if ALL religions got to have equal time? As soon as a non-Christian one was led, my wager is that they'd all be up in arms.

Nevertheless, legitimate individual prayer HAS been interfered with by schools and led to the need for court cases and legislation protecting their rights:

Widmar v. Vincent, 1981 -- Supreme Court case upheld the rights of student groups to hold religious services on a university campus.

Equal Access Act, 1984 -- was specifically enacted to prevent schools from discriminating against religious student groups.

Board of Education of Westside Community Schools v. Mergens, 1990 -- A principal tried to block a Christian student group from meeting on a high school campus. The Supreme Court ruling was based upon the Equal Access Act in favor of the students.

Yes, the individual rights of students to pray are protected by the Constitution, but if schools weren't trampling those rights, why would Federal legislation and several Federal court cases be required to protect those rights?

Give either side of the issue an inch....

tim

there's nothing wrong in praying at school or at church as long as you don't forget to pray you'd be fine.

What about this for a quote:

"People who like quotes love meaningless generalizations" — Graham Greene

Originally Posted by cls1321

Point being in that quote is, nobody who believes in religion is thinking about it. They are just going with the flow and believing everything they are told. When you really look back throughout history and study religion, it is hard to remain religious. I used to be ... than I got smart.

I don't see how you could possibly claim that everyone invoked in a religion has wrongfully done so. Some of the greatest minds the world has ever seen were strong followers of a given religion - Einstein and Newton to name a few.

Nice quote, LOL. My favorite quote regarding religion is:

"They say there's just enough religion in the world to make men hate one another... but not enough to make them love."

Really nice quotes. I totally agree with them. Here are two more of my favorites:

"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." - Abraham Lincoln

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin

Going back to the original quote -- yes a few months ago -- and the dialog regarding "thinking", I believe the intended point was missed. All the religions I can think of require some degree of faith. Faith is a belief in that which cannot be explicitly proven. Because of that dependency, "thinking" is being held to be the opposite of having faith.

Einstein's religious beliefs, in fact, caused a bit more rift than is generally discussed. See http://www.thebigview.com/spacetime/uncertainty.html , for example.

My take is that most philosophies -- and I classify religions as philosophies -- contain elements of the positive. Even though historically religion has been used as a tool for murder and control, that does not mean that the nature of the philosophies should be judged based upon the actors. In fact, that's a logical fallacy.

I developed my own philosophy by taking a look at what it means to be human qua human and the expressions of such principles in various religions which hold to be true independent of a belief in one or more gods.

On a non-religious quote, but pertinent to the conversation above, one of my sayings is "universal statements are almost universally wrong."

And, on a religious note, I found these:

Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof. -- Kahlil Gibran
Faith is an oasis in the heart which will never be reached by the caravan of thinking. -- Kahlil Gibran

favorite quote?hhhmmmm..."an eye for an...eye?"... smh :-/

"To err is human, to forgive is divine", this is one of among my fave quotes on Religion.