SEM Tycoon

**ChickenHole** · 07-18-2006, 03:15 PM

As a follow up to this thread:
http://www.earnersforum.com/showthread.php?t=1408

We decided to be a bit more scientific than the Underpants Gnome web 1.0 methodology and actually have a plan.

Phase 1. Build Website
Phase 2. ????
Phase 3. Profit!!

Just doesn't cut it any more in the Web 2.0 world

Question:
How much money can be made sending out bulletin messages to random mySpace users?

Phase One:
Build Profile
A profile is created of a fictional user.
Adderbot is used to send out random 'Add me to your friends' requests.
100's of requests are sent out daily over a few month period.
Build the profile to have approx 5000 'friends'.
Profile demographics targetted to :gun_bandana: 18-25 yr old males.

Phase Two:
Create Offer
We choose an offer from the Azoogle CPA Network (See my Sig for Link).
We directed the traffic through my domain so that we can track unique clicks, user agents, IPs, timestamps and actions.
http://www.ChickenHole.com/ppc/index.php?CampaignID=37
The offer is for a 'Free iPod Nano'.
We get paid ONLY if the user enters their email address into the form. What they do beyond there makes no difference to us. 99% will not complete the requirements to actually GET an iPod. But we don't care, we just want them to complete step one. The payout is $1.40 per email address submitted.
The Bulletin was as follows:
Subject: WOW!!! THIS IS SO EASY!!!
Body: Anyone with a MySpace account can get a FREE iPod just by entering your email address into this form!!!" CLICK HERE!!!
Message was sent at approx. 6 PM Friday night. It is now 10 AM Tuesday morning.

Phase Three:
PROFIT!!!
Results...
93 Unique Clicks - 1.86% CTR - Clicks came mostly on Sat and Sun evenings
26 Conversions - 28.26% Conversion Rate
$36.40 in Revenue - :thumbup: -WooHoo! Let's head down to the [strike]Ferrari[/strike] Vespa :scooter: Dealership!

So my original prediction turned out fairly accurate:
http://www.earnersforum.com/showthre...2888#post12888

Quote:

But I'll say we get a 3% CTR on the 5000 msgs = 150 and a 15-20% conversion on those = 22-30 at $1.40 so we'll make $30-$40.

Comments? Questions? Areas for improvement? Tips on how to turn that $36 into $3600 (besides doing it 100x over)?

**Pearse** · 07-18-2006, 03:22 PM

Nice choice of ad copy. Im still building accounts but gettin very excited about playing with bulletins. Just having a good time doin this while working on other projects.

**threehundred** · 07-18-2006, 03:22 PM

Great Job. I'm working on this plan now. Maybe I'll have something good to report soon.

**Hoang** · 07-18-2006, 03:29 PM

I'm currently building up two MySpace accounts right now. Both of them are going to be for two different websites. I have one of those MySpace adders but I'm not sure how I'm going to proceed with this, heh. I already have a MySpace account with over 800 natural people that visit my website.

**j-weezy** · 07-18-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearse

Nice choice of ad copy. Im still building accounts but gettin very excited about playing with bulletins. Just having a good time doin this while working on other projects.

Thanks!

It's all about the ad copy and demographic in this game kids!

**BlazinBeats** · 07-18-2006, 03:43 PM

yes so why not do it 100x , seems like it would not be that hard with the addbot thing? 100 accounts with 5000 names on each, that would be crazy, then about once a week send out a bulliten , would it work?

**ChickenHole** · 07-18-2006, 03:50 PM

For sure it would work and doing that goes without saying. I think we all have our adder bots and profile generators going nuts so that we can do that in three months from now. Question is what ELSE can we do to:

Increase friend acceptance rates?
Increase CTR on Bullitens?
Increase Conversion on clicks?

Other ways to monetize on these profiles besides Bulliten spamming?
I doubt you could send out more than a msg every 10 days or so without killing the profile fairly quickly. Once a month is probably better. Anyone with experience want to pipe up? How often can we hit these ppl?

**j-weezy** · 07-18-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazinBeats

yes so why not do it 100x , seems like it would not be that hard with the addbot thing? 100 accounts with 5000 names on each, that would be crazy, then about once a week send out a bulliten , would it work?

yes... it works quite well :thumbup:

**Geiger** · 07-18-2006, 04:00 PM

The only problem now is how to sustain this income. Do you expect the same CTR and conversion rates on similar ads in the future?

**imported_Shan** · 07-18-2006, 04:05 PM

That's good! You could easily make more money by sending bulletins with more accounts. I'm going to give it a try with CPAEmpire's free lead programs. They pay $1.50/lead (they also have zip-code submit leads). PM me if you want to join CPAEmpire with my affiliate link. Does Adder Robot have instant download upon payment? Are there any better alternatives to it?

**BlazinBeats** · 07-18-2006, 04:10 PM

well i know there is a way to send messages to your friends is that the same thing as the bulliten board? maybe if there was a bot that could do that you could send mass messages as well to get the people that didnt read the bulliten?

**j-weezy** · 07-18-2006, 04:11 PM

Here's the deal...

You can send 2-3 bulletins per week w/o killing the profile, if you do it right... The way that the bulletin system works, it will only display 5 bulletins at once, so many bulletins get missed because they are pushed off before they have a chance to be seen.

There are basically 3 types of MySpace users, and they log in at different times. There is the "while I'm at work" crowd...the "after work/school" crowd... and the "late-night" users...

You need to send your message out at 3 different times of the day to catch all of these people... usually around 10am, 3pm, and 7pm.

Sure...you will have a few people who will see all three and delete you, but trust me... the percentage is so small that it doesn't matter.

**ChickenHole** · 07-18-2006, 04:14 PM

Absolutely if not better.
Personally I wasn't really happy with the creative.
My original creative was:

Quote:

Dude - Check it - I stepped on my Nano and busted the screen. But these dudes are going to send me a new one free! You can get one too, just fill in the form and answer some stupid questions.

Two things:
One is that the msg actually sent sounds a bit spammier and promotional.
Two is that it just says 'Enter email into form' and you will magically get an iPod...

My creative sounds like a real person, has a story that makes it sound believable (ppl assume spammers are too lazy to make **** up). This would have increased retention and msg open rates.

My creative doesn't mention giving up email (ppl don't like that!) just says 'fill out a form'. I think this would have dramatically increased CTR

Saying 'answer some stupid questions' lets people think it is ok to go past step one and lets them know what happens next, making them feel safe about doing so, distracting them from wondering or thinking about "what happens if I put my email here? Will I get spammed like mad?" Thus dramatically icreasing conversion rates.

But maybe I am dead wrong... Only a good A/B test would tell us for sure. Maybe a spammy sounding simple message was the best way to go? Got the results we were after, but I do suspect my creative would have perfoemed much better. I have send out 1000's of promotional offers and done much experimentation with subject lines and A/B testing.

If we REALLY wanted to improve open/Clicks/conversions, we'd send out PERSONALIZED messages to each of our friends saying "Hey Billy, Check it out" in the subject line. Which i imagine can be done, just takes more work than using the bulletin system.

**imported_Shan** · 07-18-2006, 04:31 PM

I just downloaded the trial version of Adder Robot and registered a MySpace account. I have no idea on how to use this program. Do I just go to a page and select "Request from Current User's friends", input my message and click "Send"? What do I put for "Stop Count", "Start Page", etc.? Anyone mind putting up a quick guide for this? I'm not familiar with what a bulletin is and how it works.

**j-weezy** · 07-18-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChickenHole

But maybe I am dead wrong... Only a good A/B test would tell us for sure. Maybe a spammy sounding simple message was the best way to go? Got the results we were after, but I do suspect my creative would have perfoemed much better. I have send out 1000's of promotional offers and done much experimentation with subject lines and A/B testing.

Your method would work great, if you actually knew the people on your friend list...

These people already know that it's spam as soon as they click on it...but the key is to make them think it's REPOSTED spam, and that the user who reposted it must have received some benefit or they wouldn't have reposted it in the first place...

Write some very convincing spammy message, then follow it by the words... "Please Repost"

Trust me, I've been doing this exact thing for over a year now... it's the best possible method

**akk0** · 07-18-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by j-weezy

yes... it works quite well :thumbup:

**** so you have more than 100 myspace accounts? How do you manage all that :S I got 3 and I'm getting confused already about which account I've already requested friends with :S
And btw, anyone have an idea what I could use instead of azoogleads for the bulletin? I read that it's very hard to get an azoogle account if you're european...

**j-weezy** · 07-18-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by akk0

**** so you have more than 100 myspace accounts? How do you manage all that :S I got 3 and I'm getting confused already about which account I've already requested friends with :S
And btw, anyone have an idea what I could use instead of azoogleads for the bulletin? I read that it's very hard to get an azoogle account if you're european...

I don't have 100... but I do have alot

I just keep a long list of all the email addresses and use the same password for all of them... Then I just go down the list over and over again adding friends

**BlazinBeats** · 07-18-2006, 05:24 PM

maybe a good way to keep track of that many accounts is to get a domain , something like MyspaceAccountList.com and then on your first account make it 1@MyspaceAccountList.com and then 2@MyspaceAccountList.com , 3@MyspaceAccountList.com and so on up to 100 accounts then it would be alot easier to keep track of your accounts lol, and just use the same pass for each account lol, i think im going to try this out.. is that not a good idea?

**xboxundone** · 07-18-2006, 06:16 PM

those are decent results if you could make it a steady stream i am sure in the near future there will be more and more limitations so build up your friendslists while you can

**gdubs12345** · 07-18-2006, 06:26 PM

anyone know of a program like adder robot for a mac? I just bought one from friendadder.com for mac, but you have to pay for each profile you want to use it for. I think i was like $30 for one account