SEM Tycoon

**eggman2001** · 08-18-2006, 07:33 PM

I've noticed that some people have thousands or tens of thousands of sites. What is the key to getting traffic to so many sites? With so many sites, you can't do link building or advertising for them right? So what is their trick to getting even those 30 visitors to each site?

**Lpspider** · 08-18-2006, 10:42 PM

Excellent question, and I'd love to see practical responses. I've got less than twenty and it's a nightmare trying to keep everything active.

I suspect they either pay someone to run some or most simply don't need to be updated much.

**Brandon Tanner** · 08-18-2006, 11:59 PM

I think most people with that many sites just stuff each site with a bunch of mindless keywords and then hope to get a little SE traffic and PPC revenue before they get shut down for spamming... then on to the next batch of sites. It's a pretty shady way to do 'business' but I'm sure some of them make good money at it. **** shame if you ask me :thumbdown:

**imported_feros** · 08-19-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by eggman2001

I've noticed that some people have thousands or tens of thousands of sites. What is the key to getting traffic to so many sites? With so many sites, you can't do link building or advertising for them right? So what is their trick to getting even those 30 visitors to each site?

I've honestly never heard of someone with tens of thousands of sites. Then again I'm rather new to the publishing scene (been doing mostly design forever). But I would assume with that many sites someone would almost certainly need to have a staff...

**grandcartel** · 08-19-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by feros

I've honestly never heard of someone with tens of thousands of sites. Then again I'm rather new to the publishing scene (been doing mostly design forever). But I would assume with that many sites someone would almost certainly need to have a staff...

Multiple people on EF has tens of thousands of sites. All of them are in the $50,000+/mo group.

**technomad** · 08-19-2006, 12:36 PM

Ya and none of them tell you what their sites are, except forums, which run themselves eventually. I wonder how many of these sites are trash sites and how many have real content.

**imported_feros** · 08-19-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigspender

Multiple people on EF has tens of thousands of sites. All of them are in the $50,000+/mo group.

I find that hard to believe unless the sites are bot generated and worthless. Do you have any proof?

**eggman2001** · 08-19-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by feros

I find that hard to believe unless the sites are bot generated and worthless. Do you have any proof?

Shoemoney says he does:
shoemoney-dot-com
/2006/04/29/looking-for-domain-register-tried-godaddycom-and-monikercom/

**imported_feros** · 08-19-2006, 01:28 PM

He says he has over 10,000 domains which doesn't necessarily equal websites...

**Nocturnal** · 08-20-2006, 06:13 AM

I kinda burnt myself out by having over say ten sites at once and trying to actually add content to all ten.

**GeorgeB** · 08-20-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by eggman2001

I've noticed that some people have thousands or tens of thousands of sites. What is the key to getting traffic to so many sites? With so many sites, you can't do link building or advertising for them right? So what is their trick to getting even those 30 visitors to each site?

It's called automation.

You don't have to have a lot of time to run automated sites.

Example: If I took off the submit riddles and newsletter from this site how much work do you think it would take me to run it?

That's right, none.

Take that formula and repeat. After a few years, which most of us have been at it for a few years, you'll have a LOT of sites.

**grandcartel** · 08-20-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by feros

He says he has over 10,000 domains which doesn't necessarily equal websites...

Forget about shoemoney, that guy's a phony IMO.

There are users who have posted that they have thousands of sites. What's it matter to you, though?..

**technomad** · 08-20-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB

It's called automation.

You don't have to have a lot of time to run automated sites.

That's right, none.

Take that formula and repeat. After a few years, which most of us have been at it for a few years, you'll have a LOT of sites.

Can you expand on that? How do you automate a site? Where does the content come from? What kind of sites are good for automation?

**Bookworm-SEO** · 08-20-2006, 03:05 PM

Do you hire bloggers and such to develop content for you?

**imported_feros** · 08-20-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigspender

Forget about shoemoney, that guy's a phony IMO.

There are users who have posted that they have thousands of sites. What's it matter to you, though?..

I just find it hard to believe that a single person can manage tens of thousands of sites unless they are bot-generated or adsense-ready upload and go sites (which in my opinion aren't "websites" but rather advanced parking). And just because someone claims they have thousands of sites doesn't mean they have thousands of sites.

**SteveAR** · 08-20-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigspender

Forget about shoemoney, that guy's a phony IMO.

There are users who have posted that they have thousands of sites. What's it matter to you, though?..

shoemoney owns a very profitable site. i dont think hes a phony at all. but in order to get that money like the big guys do, you have to have money to invest. its all about investing and the right way. it takes money to make money and if you plan to do it from scratch it will take you years and alot of hard work. unless you have that 1 idea like themilliondollarhomepage then your golden.

what im planning on doing (and if this helps great) is to generate as many sites as possible and promote them accordingly. there are so many scripts that you can modify and give it your own look. myspace codes , arcades,directories etc. just make one every 2 weeks and concentrate on it for that time frame. by the time you realize youll have so many sites youll be surprised. in time they will get ranked and linked and the money will start coming in.

if you make 10 sites and they each kick out 1 to 2 dollars a day in adsense then great. make ten more. monitor your hits and channels so you know where its coming from. eventually you will get alot of traffic going to one of them that youll see what you did and do it again. its all a learning process people.

**GeorgeB** · 08-20-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by feros

I just find it hard to believe that a single person can manage tens of thousands of sites unless they are bot-generated or adsense-ready upload and go sites (which in my opinion aren't "websites" but rather advanced parking). And just because someone claims they have thousands of sites doesn't mean they have thousands of sites.

Believe what you like but I just gave you a perfect example of the types of sites that can make you a lot of money if you have a lot of them and it doesn't have to be an MFA site. I guess the old saying about leading a horse to water but not being able to make them drink applies here. :yes:

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Originally Posted by technomad

Can you expand on that? How do you automate a site? Where does the content come from? What kind of sites are good for automation?

If you can't look at the site I gave you as an example and see how I pretty much don't have to do anything if I don't want to I don't know what to tell you

It's a database driven site with fun and viral info that people will want to tell their friends about and link to.

Now imagine that site without the submit a riddle or newsletter portions. If you owned the site what would you need to do to it every day? Nothing! It just sits there and grows as people tell their friends and it gets ranked higher and higher in Google.

How do you automate a site? Use scripts!

I refuse to sit here and spell it out for you any plainer than that.

**technomad** · 08-20-2006, 07:13 PM

Im sorry. I thought this forum was for people to help others. My mistake. I'm not an html guru or experienced webmaster so excuse me if the nuts and bolts of running your site doesn't automatically jump out for me when I take a look.

Seems like a lot of people here post about their great money making ventures but never say anything about the ins and outs of it. How they biult their sites up. What makes them tick. "Find a profitable niche"."market it the right way" "make a forum", "use scripts". Thanks, more vague please.

**Shpigford** · 08-20-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by technomad

Seems like a lot of people here post about their great money making ventures but never say anything about the ins and outs of it. How they biult their sites up. What makes them tick. "Find a profitable niche"."market it the right way" "make a forum", "use scripts". Thanks, more vague please.

Well, now, think about what you just said. Sure some people can be pretty vague here and sometimes even a bit rude...some people just like to brag.

But you also need to look at it from the perspective of the site owners. Why would they want to give away all of their secrets? For some here it has taken literally a decade of trial and error to get things right. And you think they should just spill all that info out because you want them too? Hardly.

You've got to ask more specific questions and be willing to put in the time to learn. Stuff in this industry doesn't get served on a silver platter.

**GeorgeB** · 08-20-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by technomad

Im sorry. I thought this forum was for people to help others. My mistake. I'm not an html guru or experienced webmaster so excuse me if the nuts and bolts of running your site doesn't automatically jump out for me when I take a look.

If you're not an experienced webmaster then perhaps this is not the forum for you? I'm not being condescending when I say this so don't take it personally, as it seems you are prone to do so. But I'd recommend www.sitepoint.com if you want to learn the basics. I learned a lot there myself.

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Originally Posted by technomad

Seems like a lot of people here post about their great money making ventures but never say anything about the ins and outs of it. How they biult their sites up. What makes them tick. "Find a profitable niche"."market it the right way" "make a forum", "use scripts". Thanks, more vague please.

And once you strike it big, which I sincerely hope you do, I expect to see you here publicly telling people bit by bit and step by step exactly how you do it.... especially your competitors.