SEO Tycoon

**VRaj** · 10-12-2007, 04:32 AM

Hello

Can anybody give me some of his/her time to discuss the on page optimization. What are the main areas and factors that are directly connected
to website when we talk about on page optimization.

Thanks
VR

**gringo** · 10-12-2007, 04:42 AM

If you concentrate on presenting your content in a well structured manner for your visitors you don't have to worry too much about on page optimisation.

For example, how do you tell your visitors that a page is about "famous quotes"? You put the text "famous quotes" in the title of the page and its heading.

**corlock** · 10-12-2007, 12:34 PM

here's my terms on on-page optimization. try to find out this things:
title
meta tags
emphasizing tags (html)
keyword density
keyword prominence
keyword proximity
contents theme

**mhaye_01** · 10-12-2007, 12:46 PM

try this one:
as a basic seo guide

click here

**Learning Newbie** · 10-12-2007, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corlock

here's my terms on on-page optimization. try to find out this things:
title
meta tags
emphasizing tags (html)
keyword density
keyword prominence
keyword proximity
contents theme

As long as we're making total crap up

big bird
michael jackson
wilford brimley
nemo
drunken driving

**mcooce** · 10-14-2007, 10:50 AM

I think the main areas is the head or the bottom.
If the center have important context,may it's the main area,
so the main area is not sure,it just connected with the main context which search think important.

**chrishirst** · 10-15-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote:

I think the main areas is the head or the bottom.
If the center have important context,may it's the main area,
so the main area is not sure,it just connected with the main context which search think important.

I've now read that several times and still have absolutely no idea what it means

**VRaj** · 10-15-2007, 07:03 AM

Thanks every body.
For on page optimization i had to basically focus on title tag, meta tag and description tag.

And what about the comment tag..does it is really needed and alt tag...i think it should also come under on page optimization...please suggest.

i have also list of other tags ...does for a website all these tags are needed.

If i do not place these tags on the website...what are the effects?

<meta name="language" content="" />
<meta name="author" content="" />
<meta name="copyright" content=" " />
<meta name="robots" content="" />
<meta name="revisit-after" content="" />
<meta name="reply-to" content="" />
<meta name="document-class" content="" />
<meta name="document-classification" content="" />
<meta name="document-rights" content="" />
<meta name="document-type" content="" />
<meta name="document-rating" content="" />
<meta name="document-distribution" content="" />
<meta name="document-state" content="c" />
<meta name="cache-control" content="" />
<meta name="Abstract" content="" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="" />

**gringo** · 10-15-2007, 07:47 AM

Comments in html are for the coder's use; they aren't used by search engines to rank.

Alt attributes are used to give a description of the image to people who can't see the image (for whatever reason) - so you need to use them for just that purpose. They have a small value in ranking.

As far as seo goes, you don't need to worry about any of the meta tags you listed.

If you haven't done any reading on SEO, I recommend you read these:
http://www.highrankings.com/forum/in...?showtopic=833
http://www.seomoz.org/article/beginn...e-optimization

**scorpionagency** · 10-15-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gringo

Comments in html are for the coder's use; they aren't used by search engines to rank.

Alt attributes are used to give a description of the image to people who can't see the image (for whatever reason) - so you need to use them for just that purpose. They have a small value in ranking.

As far as seo goes, you don't need to worry about any of the meta tags you listed.

If you haven't done any reading on SEO, I recommend you read these:
http://www.highrankings.com/forum/in...?showtopic=833
http://www.seomoz.org/article/beginn...e-optimization

Normally I would agree with the "small value on Image Keyword Alt attributes" statement you made. However in light of a recent discovery with some of my sub-pages that have free avatars on them (Utilizing the Alt attributes) - The Google Algorithm seems to have changed again, thus putting some of my image saturated pages in top 1-4 positions (1st Page of Google).

This may be a fluke (As we know they do happen), however so far for the last 14+ days the positions are solid. (Not much competing for the terms of course, maybe a 5-10 per day search term at best). In any case I would have to say that a little more weight has been shifted to image alt attributes in this situation.

The pages them self may have a total of 1 paragraph (If that).

**tomfrederick** · 02-05-2008, 05:50 AM

I add definition that On page optimization is the process by which various elements on an individual web page are structured so that the web page can be found by the search engines for specific keyword.
These are the on-Page optimization factors are related directly to the content and structure of the website.

Keyword Density
Words in Title Tag
Words in the Page
Words in Links
Words in Headings
Words in Bold
Beginning Words
Words in URL
Meta Tags (some engines)
HTML Validation
Link Structure
"Indexability" of the page
and Hundreds of Other Factors

**blue-dreamer** · 02-05-2008, 07:13 AM

And don't foget the most important part of "optimisation" - write for your visitors

**full house** · 02-05-2008, 08:07 AM

On page optimization is just like fixing or creating an article or essay it need deep concentration.

Its all about keywords, good content, title and meta tags and alt tags for the images . . . Use keywords in your content and make it relevant to your site. Don't copy other content.

**Learning Newbie** · 02-05-2008, 01:28 PM

So much bad advice in this thread.

Keyword density is total rubbish. It's like deciding how good a program is by counting how many lines of source code it has, including comments and white space. Let's put it this way. Keyword density is fake SEO. Anybody who focuses on keyword density density shouldn't be doing SEO work. People who fixate on keyword density probably don't have any clients. Questions about keyword density usually come along with questions about "What's Google?" You shouldn't keyword density on keyword density or keyword density or even keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density.

<alt>There are no alt tags!!! I don't know how many times we've been over this, but no one will ever master SEO without knowing the basics of html.</alt>

"Indexability" of pages is a brand new one. Sounds fancy, says nothing.

Meta tags carry no weight with search engines. Sometimes your meta description is shown under your listing, but most times they rather pick their own text to show.

Really there's so much bad info and so little good info in this thread, that anybody trying to learn would be best served to just ignore everything they read in it.

**scorpionagency** · 02-05-2008, 07:10 PM

I have to agree with you "Learning Newbie". Some of the posts here give me a good laugh. At first I didn't want to completely blame the posters, seeing that as time goes on SEO changes & some of the things posted Definitely worked in the 90's. However, I then had to take into account that as SEO updates come out, so do articles & other publications that are readily available for them to read & brush up on.

So now I feel the blame becomes an even split 50/50 down the middle. A.) The publishers that are still pushing inaccurate information that these posters are obviously reading somewhere & believing. & B.) The posters them self for not investing more time into researching in order to establish right from wrong SEO in current times.

I think it all boils down to someone reading something they thought was Powerful knowledge under the misguided influences of another 1990's article reader. The Blind Leading the Blind effect.

Not knowing any better (Nor taking the time to research further), the unsuspecting poster (Now thinking they have the heads up) mirrors what they read & post it here in hopes to somehow help others & or provide them self with an authoritative presence (Unknowing of the outdated literature they quote).

At any rate, I'm starting to ramble. Thats what I gathered from this thread (And most threads on the net these days).

**Brook** · 02-07-2008, 12:14 AM

1.Breadcrumb Navigation
2.Alt tags
3.Meta tag optimization
4.keyword in url.

**ADAM Web Design** · 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

So much bad advice in this thread.

Keyword density is total rubbish. It's like deciding how good a program is by counting how many lines of source code it has, including comments and white space. Let's put it this way. Keyword density is fake SEO. Anybody who focuses on keyword density density shouldn't be doing SEO work. People who fixate on keyword density probably don't have any clients. Questions about keyword density usually come along with questions about "What's Google?" You shouldn't keyword density on keyword density or keyword density or even keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density.

<alt>There are no alt tags!!! I don't know how many times we've been over this, but no one will ever master SEO without knowing the basics of html.</alt>

"Indexability" of pages is a brand new one. Sounds fancy, says nothing.

Meta tags carry no weight with search engines. Sometimes your meta description is shown under your listing, but most times they rather pick their own text to show.

Really there's so much bad info and so little good info in this thread, that anybody trying to learn would be best served to just ignore everything they read in it.

Actually, John, the second to last point isn't completely true. There are some engines that use meta tags in their algorithms, and at some point some idiot blackhat newbie SEO wannabe will probably spout off about this and be technically correct. The problem is that the engines in question all are tier 10 engines, suck complete and total nard, and generate no traffic whatsoever to end users. So you're "really" correct. But, just to make things "technically" correct and stop the scumbags dead in their tracks, let's correct ourselves, shall we?

Mind you, you're also correcting someone who is part of one of the biggest, yet least discussed scams on the Internet today: "Christian " X, where X is a variable that represents all sorts of industries (debt consolidation, web hosting, web design, automotive) that haven't got a thing to do with Christianity. JESUS DOESN'T HAVE A PREFERRED WEB HOST, PEOPLE. He's got a top-of-the-line rackmount server on a bandwidth pipe that measures in light years per second. Even I know that, and I'm an atheist.

<snip>

That's the problem with SEO right there...too many vested-interest used car salesmen posing as marketing experts.

If you're going to gather anything from this thread, I'm about to give it to you in one sentence: ignore the ad nauseam advice that is parroted at random intervals from people who can't see their monitors because their heads are that far up their own asses, and listen to people like John who actually get it.

**chrishirst** · 02-07-2008, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brook

1.Breadcrumb Navigation
2.Alt tags
3.Meta tag optimization
4.keyword in url.

1/ Minimal use for SEs, just another link on a page.

2/ Get the names right! alt's are NOT tags

3/ Not for any main SE

4/ Minute value for Google, little more at Yahoo, absolute ZERO for MSN

**coolslko** · 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRaj

Hello

Can anybody give me some of his/her time to discuss the on page optimization. What are the main areas and factors that are directly connected
to website when we talk about on page optimization.

Thanks
VR

On-Page Optimisation is all about optimisng your page within your site like about Keywords, content, layout, design, no of pages, sitemap, internal linking, meta tags, alt attributes, images, loading time of your web page etc. are the main factors of onpage optimisation.

**alhefner** · 02-10-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

So much bad advice in this thread.

Keyword density is total rubbish. It's like deciding how good a program is by counting how many lines of source code it has, including comments and white space. Let's put it this way. Keyword density is fake SEO. Anybody who focuses on keyword density density shouldn't be doing SEO work. People who fixate on keyword density probably don't have any clients. Questions about keyword density usually come along with questions about "What's Google?" You shouldn't keyword density on keyword density or keyword density or even keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density.

<alt>There are no alt tags!!! I don't know how many times we've been over this, but no one will ever master SEO without knowing the basics of html.</alt>

"Indexability" of pages is a brand new one. Sounds fancy, says nothing.

Meta tags carry no weight with search engines. Sometimes your meta description is shown under your listing, but most times they rather pick their own text to show.

Really there's so much bad info and so little good info in this thread, that anybody trying to learn would be best served to just ignore everything they read in it.

I have never seen a site use a moderator with so much attitude! Use a little brain work and understanding.

First of all, the keyword thing. Loading your page with keywords will hurt your rankings true. However, if you have a website about used cars and never use the words "used cars" in the text of the site, you will never show in a search for "used cars". Keywords count! Use them appropriately and ensure that the content (text) of your site contains the search terms you think people will use to find you. The absurd example provided in the quote above is called "keyword loading" and will get your site shoved to the back of the line most of the time.

The "alt" ATTRIBUTE is also useful. It isn't a tag. It is an attribute often used with tags such as <img>. This is also seen as valid text by search engines and should be descriptive of the image being displayed.

META TAGS do have some weight with search engines especially the description tag and title tag. If you have the least doubt about this, put up a web page without them and see how it sows up in searches 60 days later. You won't find it without actually using the URL for that page as a search term.