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Old 10-23-2007, 02:10 PM The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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Someone explained this to me. You get your hosting with GoDaddy, you set up your 200 sites, and you give em each a Class C IP address. I don't even know what that is (the third number changed?) but it's supposed to make the search engines think all your interlinked sites are run by different people who don't know each other and all the links are votes of confidence.

Only, all these different sites, each one site with one IP address, they all run through the same DNS server.

The networking infrastructure guy was telling me any self respecting search engine would see this as a link farm. Without knowing the details of the algorithms it sounds like you're actually worse off by changing your "C Block" because that leaves a footprint (as Adam would say) that shows you're trying to cover something up. Leaving them on the same IP probably doesn't hurt because they already know anyway, and you're not tryign to hide your tracks.


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Old 10-23-2007, 02:53 PM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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It would look rather suspicious...
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:52 PM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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I don't believe the algorithm can see or differentiate if that IP has 1 or 200
clustered sites because it looks only at domains. Even if algorithm were set
to resolve IP to domain and wise versa it wouldn’t make any difference


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Old 10-24-2007, 12:04 AM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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John a typical IP looks like:

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
A.B.C.D

The idea behind different class C blocks is that links appear to be more unique. Think of it like you're running for an election in your city. Someone takes a sample poll and finds you and your opponent have a similar amount of support.

However when they look closer your support comes from a mix of all the neighborhoods in town and your opponent has all of his votes coming from the same neighborhood.

Aside from the fact that the people taking the poll are clueless when it comes to running a random poll it's an indication more people really support you since you have more diverse geographical support.

Kind of the idea with class C IP blocks. I hadn't heard of trying to set that up all on one server at GoDaddy before, which I would think isn't going to work, but from an seo perspective you'd ideally want links from more diverse sources.

If you get 5 links each from 200 sites all sitting on a single server with the same class C block and I get 1 link each from 10 sites each on a different class C block, my 10 links might be seen as more trusted than your 1,000

I'm making up the numbers and there would obviously be more to it than just class C blocks, but that's the basic theory.
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:32 AM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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There are a couple of reasons why this wouldn't work.

1) If the hosting all comes from GoDaddy, it would be highly unlikely that they would assign 200 different Class C IPs for a single account holder (even at the $600 per month they would make).

In every instance that an interested company (e.g. ISP, host) wants a new IP address, they have to requisition it from their bandwidth provider and provide a reason for it; at least that's the explanation my host gave to me.

I have 12 Class C IP addresses, and it was pretty tough to justify all of them; about the only good reason a web design company would have is an SSL, which requires a dedicated IP. Most of the sites I build share an IP address because there's no need for them to have a dedicated IP.

Now...let's assume that the hosting was all through GoDaddy, and the person wanted 200 separate IPs. They're into $600 per month PLUS the cost of hosting (which is about $79.99 per month based on the cheapest dedicated server plan GD offers.) So you're up to $680.00 per month.

Now that we've covered that, let's look at the source of the IPs. Even if they're all different C Class IPs, they'll often be part of the same B Class, the same A Class, or at the very least grouped into A Classes. Even if the spammer in question managed to pull off 200 completely different A Class IP addresses (which would be next to impossible with the same hosting company), the IP addresses can easily be queried to determine who owns them or at least who leases them (in this case, GoDaddy would presumably lease all of them or at least a very large portion).

And therein lies a footprint. 200 GoDaddy sites interlinking with each other, even before the DNS server would be factored in (since it's even theoretically possible to pass these IPs through 200 different DNS servers on the same GoDaddy network, as incredibly stupid as it may seem.)

I'm not disagreeing with your network guy. I think he's right. The DNS servers would provide a very big clue in and of themselves, and Google is an ICANN-accredited registrar, so it would be very easy for them to get this info (Yahoo! and MSN aren't listed, but they could easily set up a subsidiary registrar company under a different name and do the same thing). All I was trying to do was establish that, no matter how extreme a spammer was able to cover his/her tracks, the tracks would still show. Reality dictates that it wouldn't even get to the 200 A-class case I suggested, and that most spammers aren't that smart.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:40 AM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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I don't believe the algorithm can see or differentiate if that IP has 1 or 200
clustered sites because it looks only at domains. Even if algorithm were set
to resolve IP to domain and wise versa it wouldn’t make any difference
Actually, the spiders need your IP address to talk to your web server. Whether they store the information in a way that lets them know how many links start and end on the same box is anybody's guess ... but a lot of people seem to think they do.

I wrote this to to test http response codes for web sites I'm working on ... long story. But when you make a request, the response comes back with headers and all kinds of great stuff, among it the IP address:



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In every instance that an interested company (e.g. ISP, host) wants a new IP address, they have to requisition it from their bandwidth provider and provide a reason for it; at least that's the explanation my host gave to me.
For whatever it's worth, when I worked at a telecoms they had the same policy.
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:06 AM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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Maybe we should start pointing out that "Classful" IP adressing hasn't really existed since 1993.

RFC1518 brought in CIDR (Classless Inter-Domain Routing)
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:06 PM Re: The IP {Class C} Myth of Script Kiddies
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That's way over my head. What does it mean?
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