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**scorpionagency** · 04:40 AM

Ok, I just launched another research campaign in hopes to break some ground running. I was hoping to get some preemptive input from you guys prior to the results that will start taking place within the next 30 days.

Basically I have 2 domain extensions / same name that I have had for just over 12 months now, Both are now established in the engines & have pased the google guidelines for new site flags.

I have duplicated what appears to be a Mirror of my main site: www.scorpionagency.com & placed it on www.scorpionagency.ws - Now I am aware that mirrors get omitted, so here's the outline:

Same navigation (Directing to .com)
Same Layout / stylesheets (Pulling from .com)
Single page on this domain (No additional pages - everything directs to .com)
The single page is Totally unique in content (No indexable duplicates on .com - to avoid being omitted)
Keyword / Phrase focus is different (yet complements the .com focus)

What I am hoping for is that due to the one page unique content & separate keyword focus, that the .ws domain will not be flagged as a mirror nor omitted.

Sounds silly, sure, however I have found articles from others both supporting the theory (That it works) & others against the theory (Saying it would cause my .ws to be Omitted).

What's your take on all this? (Feel free to compare both domains to get a feel)

I'm hoping others here have tried this same exact recipe, if not, then I will be more than happy to share my findings (Hopefully within the next 30 days & another update in 60), of course it may start happening as soon as 7-14 days (Judging by how fast my sites normally update).

Feedback anyone?

**ADAM Web Design** · 11-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Personally, I'd think the .ws would get indexed, but it wouldn't do any good and would be buried in terms of SERPs.

Mind you, in the grand scheme of things, I don't see what this is really going to accomplish. You'd effectively end up with a single-page website indexed, with most links pointing to another website. What's the point of that?

**scorpionagency** · 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

Personally, I'd think the .ws would get indexed, but it wouldn't do any good and would be buried in terms of SERPs.

Mind you, in the grand scheme of things, I don't see what this is really going to accomplish. You'd effectively end up with a single-page website indexed, with most links pointing to another website. What's the point of that?

well, the point was To target a totally different term without unbalancing the main url & the identical layout was so that viewers don't feel any shift when transported to the master site (Like they never left).

As far as being omitted from the serp's, you think that would be because it's calling the same styles from another domain or somehow calculates the xhtml & images as identical?

I thought it might be construed as a type of Mirrored doorway by the engines at worst, then looking at the original content that is unique yet similar to main site & the use of additional elements, that it would rule that out as well.

I'm just trying to pinpoint the reasons as to why it may be omitted & focus my efforts on that to tweak it.

I tried this first with a basic smart doorway on a sub-directory and it went to #5 for the weaker long tail term (Been there for 3 months now). With this one I am looking for the same results, yet with the short (2 word) target term yielding Higher competitive traffic results.

P.S. The difference between the 2 is that I am now using a root URL rather than a sub-directory, Provided more on-page optimizing, & have launched an active IBL campaign, where as the original test sub-directory page might have 4-6 IBL's from weak sources at best. The sub-directory doorway primarily focused on previous research with on-page optimizing & keyword Vs. Content density (1 of 8 doorways tested) - 3 months later & still at #5 in the first page of google I felt it warranted it's own root domain strength test (Seeing that it also complements my services) focusing on the shorter more competitive phrase along with all the additional abilities & benefits of a root URL.

Any other insight would be helpful.

**fastreplies** · 11-09-2007, 07:24 PM

I’m not sure if this example will help but we have a bunch of ‘coming soon’ sites
that use the same web hosting template and they all indexed by Google and they all
come up for targeted keywords

fastreplies

**scorpionagency** · 11-09-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fastreplies

I’m not sure if this example will help but we have a bunch of ‘coming soon’ sites
that use the same web hosting template and they all indexed by Google and they all
come up for targeted keywords

fastreplies

Thanks, actually that small piece of info does help, in the sense that you have confirmed the use of an identical stylesheet, layout, & image references that have all indexed efficiently for deferent contextual focuses.

Kind of what I am doing as well on 2 different servers & domains. The most beneficial aspects I can see here with no penalties would be:

A unique URL & E-mail for additional submissions to the same directory lists as my .com (Yet with a slightly altered target market)
An efficiently focused & targeted keyword phrase campaign
A smooth consumer transition from one domain to the next (Appearing as if they were always on the same one)
An additional Competitive Consumer Traffic source
Unlimited future potentials for additional domains using this focused -one page- website targeted strategy (As long as the results support it)

I think the main asset that avoids any redflag deception in an algorithm would be that the target market is still similar to the master sites, eliminating a deceptive redirect calculation in the algo for no relevance - e.g. foot cream page directing to a pencils page with the soul purpose of manipulating the SERP's in order to receive high volumes of NON-Related traffic for an easier Phrase to optimize for.

I may be getting ahead of myself here, Time will tell, it's basically a waiting game for me now!

**vangogh** · 11-10-2007, 01:30 AM

Is the idea that you want to be able to use the .ws site to test on page things that you might later incorporate into the .com? Just general research?

I don't really see the sites as mirrors. I'd see them more as two sites that share the same template. There are lots of sites like that online. The duplication part is going to come from the content and not the layout.

.ws stands for Samoa and not website as it's often claimed. Search engines do seem to place some weight on sites with country specific extensions actually being hosted in the geographic area that matches the extension. If that site isn't being hosted in Samoa it could be a flag for Google.

**scorpionagency** · 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vangogh

Is the idea that you want to be able to use the .ws site to test on page things that you might later incorporate into the .com? Just general research?

I don't really see the sites as mirrors. I'd see them more as two sites that share the same template. There are lots of sites like that online. The duplication part is going to come from the content and not the layout.

.ws stands for Samoa and not website as it's often claimed. Search engines do seem to place some weight on sites with country specific extensions actually being hosted in the geographic area that matches the extension. If that site isn't being hosted in Samoa it could be a flag for Google.

It's General research really....

And you bring up a good point, Now we are talking along the lines of PORTALS rather than a possible mirrored algorithmic decision. .Ws is actually West Samoa (To be more precise). Theirs really not much of a market geographically there, Hinse why the West Samoan Government started selling & contracting blocks of there countries extension to large corporations such as Global Domains International.

The research is more along the lines of: Root Url using Onpage / Offpage SEO/SEM Vs. Sub-Directory / Sub-Domain using Onpage / Offpage SEO/SEM.

We have seen on countless occasions that a root URL with a proper SEO/SEM campaign normally lists in the SERP's ahead of it's extensions with the same type campaign (Whether they are Sub-domains or Sub-directories).

I am simply trying to find the right chemistry utilizing the prominent weight of a root URL with a focus on separate complementing keyword phrases in a fashion that won't registrar as a Doorway, Mirror, Portal in the SERP's. While maintaining all the look, feel, navigation, etc. of the master site.

The way I see it, If I can get a 1 page website (We'll call it the Slave) to rank high for competing phrases & maintain the integrity of the master Site, then it would be worthy of additional research & development.

My keyword Vs. content density research lead me to Smart Doorway/Portal Research & that has now stemmed to the Smart Mirror Domain research. I'm sure there will be many more chapters added after this one.

I am more than likely just duplicating what others have done countless times. For me, it holds more viability doing it myself & taking notes along the way. If nothing else my notes will serve as a Reminder to myself in case I forget something later when trying to recreate the same scenario, however I would like to hope that some of my researches find there way into the eyes of readers looking for information related to the research itself.

**vangogh** · 11-10-2007, 08:53 PM

Interesting. Don't forget to share your results when you have some.

**scorpionagency** · 11-10-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vangogh

Interesting. Don't forget to share your results when you have some.

Absolutely I will.... Not that it means much to anyone, however I have narrowed posting this particular research to ONLY 2 forums "Mine & webmaster-talk".

Last thing I need is my own site competing with 15 forums for my own research article - I say this because it's already happened to me before.Thats yet another topic of research I may embark on in addition to the Forum Sig Vs. IBL's research I've already done. But thats in the future, no need to get ahead of myself.

I'll give you a heads up when my server starts yelling at me with new stats.

**vangogh** · 11-11-2007, 03:10 PM

Thanks. It should be interesting.

**scorpionagency** · 07:18 PM

First Sign of Life:

Test started on Nov 9th 2007 - today is Nov. 16th 2007 (Exactly 7 days = 1 week)

I didn't expect to see anything happen for at least 2-4 weeks, this is very minor, however it is relevant to the research. A yahoo search for "Dark Website Design" (The long tail setup that will lead to the main 2 word focus) sits at #2 on page 1 of the Yahoo SERP's for the .ws.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=dar...p=mss&ei=UTF-8

Server stats show 17 Yahoo SE Unique visits in the last 42 hrs.

Nothing to really get excited about seeing that the long tail term only has 30,000,000 (Intitle: 256,000) competing pages and only 5-10 targeted searches per day with only 6 reported IBL's on yahoo alone.

However, This is progress in a 7 day time frame. (No sign of life as of yet for Google or MSN)It's still Very early, More progress reports to come (Stay Tuned).

(Quick Update: a Google - inanchor:dark website design - search has .ws at #33 out of 437,000- "Not that it's of any consolation" http://www.google.com/search?q=inanc...&start=30&sa=N )

**fastreplies** · 11-16-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpionagency

Absolutely I will.... Not that it means much to anyone, ...

I wouldn’t say so.

Your experience will give us some points to consider and to learn about another "trick" or two

fastreplies

**scorpionagency** · 11-18-2007, 09:16 PM

Google showing some life now on Day #9 -

Dark Website design (The long tail set up term) for .ws is now at #6 on page 1 of google for 16,900,00 competing / #43 on page 5 for the intitle with 289,100 competing. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...gn&btnG=Search

Not much, but starting to come alive. - a few more weeks & the short Phrase should start listing (If everything goes as planned).

Stay tuned!