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**-Genetic-** · 12-01-2007, 03:11 PM

Hey all

For a few months have been workin pretty hard to get some backlinks for my website, and have even used the help of some buisness offering help to get back links, and been trying to get up the page rank ladder (i'm currently at 0! still?!) but what really has caused concern for me is that if I type my web address in Google www.hoodia4u.co.uk I get 481 sites backlinking to me, or so it seems until I used a few page rank checkers I realised that only 3 of the pages were being backlinked.

So if you can help me understand why this is happening since alot of the pages I link to have nice pr mostly 2 upwards thanks.

according to my page rank results I have:

Yahoo - 1500 Backlinks
AltaVista - 312 Backlinks
AllTheWeb - 299 Backlinks
Google - 3 Backlinks

Got this info from this link:
http://www.smartpagerank.com/result....hoodia4u.co.uk

**Foundationflash** · 12-01-2007, 03:46 PM

I don't have an answer to your problem but remember that PR is not a goal but an effect of you journey towards a better website.

**chrishirst** · 12-01-2007, 04:20 PM

very simple, Google's link command has been "broken" for at least 3 years now. It never did what everyone thought it did when it was "working" and now it does even less.

Forget checking backlinks, forget chasing PR, go do something useful instead

**-Genetic-** · 05:43 PM

Thanks for the reply's

but can the google link command really be broken? if so oh well
but will that effect my PR with google?

Also just looking at PR as a whole:

after looking at every SEO E-book/DVD

It says that page rank is what really makes your site VERY popular for my targeted keyword terms, on page factors do matter to an extent, but back links and PR is much more valuble and is the off page factors that do better

for example in one of my ebooks I found this very intresting part.

''Click here'' type this in google and adobe pops up ranked #1 out of 171 Million, and note

1. The word "click here" isn't in the page title
2. The word "click here" isn't in the URL of the website.
3. The word "click here" isn't even in the description listed by Google

looking at the analysis of adobe the word ''click'' appeared in 6 of the links pointing to adobe.com and 4.5% of the total links pointing to adobe.com contained the keyword "click'' The keyword "here" was found in 11 links pointing to adobe.com and appeared 8.3% of the time.

also just for fun split up the words like

adobe, reader, click, download reader
and check out what webstie appears #1. It's the links AND the anchor text being used in those links, that helps a website rank highly

The main two reasons that adobe.com is ranked #1 for the keyword "click here" is because:

Adobe has PR of 10 which is NiCe

The websites linking to adobe.com are very quality (have a high Page Rank and come from trusted, aged websites like .edu and .gov websites)
The websites linking to adobe.com used the keywords "click" and "here" many times in the anchor text of the links linking to adobe.com

There are a few other offpage optimization factors that help adobe.com to rank #1, but those are the main two reasons. After reading this lesson, I hope you can clearly see the power of offpage optimization (linking).
So, the next time someone asks you what the proper keyword density is, the proper keyword prominence, the proper number of times you need to bold, italicize, or underline a keyword on your page... You can tell them that onpage optimization is NOT critical when ranking well for a given search term.
Until next time, happy optimizing!

hope that wasn't to much reading but just goes to show that on page optimisation ain't that important as off page

so as my question began will my webpage get a PR or is google just gunna be mean

Thanks

Also just noticed that the link check in google is probablly broken since adobes google backlinks are so far behind

adobe.com
Google: 116,000
Yahoo: 78,300,000
AltaVista: 2,580,000
AllTheWeb: 2,180,000

**chrishirst** · 12-01-2007, 06:24 PM

Well there you are and it's GARBAGE like that that keeps us here every day correcting the MASSIVE amount of DROSS there is out there.

Toolbar PR means absolutely NOTHING for a start, so that's their entire premise shot down IN ONE.

If you want to go down the "Get backlinks route" you are;

1/ Taken the hardest route possible

2/ Limiting your chances of being found in searches to ONE phrase, the one you are using as anchor text.

We also use the "Click Here" example to disprove the keyword URL crap.

It is an "extreme case" and yes with hundreds of thousands of links with the right anchor text, you can rank for anything. But it does NOT mean that anchor text is everything. However this is of course what the link sellers (who just happen to be the same people selling these books/"tools" to you) want you to think. Because you will be going to them, wallet open with credit card primed and ready to be drained, when you think you need these millions of links.

**chrishirst** · 12-01-2007, 06:26 PM

Quote:

but can the google link command really be broken? if so oh well
but will that effect my PR with google?

Also just looking at PR as a whole:

Nope, because what Google show you isn't even 1/10 of the whole picture

**-Genetic-** · 12-01-2007, 07:26 PM

Thanks for the reply, and glad to hear about ur last post

HOWEVER!

it's amazing to think after the 100's of ebooks/articles/posts/Books I read are all talking garbage. Which THANK GOD! you have corrected me on

''If you want to go down the "Get backlinks route" you are;

1/ Taken the hardest route possible

2/ Limiting your chances of being found in searches to ONE phrase, the one you are using as anchor text.''

Backlinking is VERY important to google, other search engines like msn go alot. On the on page optimisation where as google goes on backlinks, much more than on page, and if you say backlinking isnt the way to go, the future is verrrrrry Bleek for that website, and I really can't believe that something thats been used and claimed much success to many people.
is put this way and the anchortext shown on the adobe website is a perfect example! on how the most trusted site. the higher the PR
the better chance you can get those keywords you want
And the final truth is NO ONE knows how Google truly works!

But on page optimsation and backlinking has shown these two things together work a charm and if you say that backlinking doesn't get popularity therefore more visitors to your site then no one can help you

For example show me ONE just ONE very highly searched for term

that has No backlinks and has a very low page rank

but other than that i'm off to get more back links

**chrishirst** · 12-01-2007, 09:01 PM

Actually if you care to look over the past 4 years or so, every google update has lessened their reliance on anchor text as a major factor in ranking.

Quote:

if you say that backlinking doesn't get popularity therefore more visitors to your site

Ok I guess I missed the bit where I said that?

Quote:

For example show me ONE just ONE very highly searched for term

that has No backlinks and has a very low page rank

You won't find ANY term in Google that has no backlinks, no links and the page won't even get indexed.

No one is disputing the point that anchor text (not backlinks) is still important in Googles algo, simply that the time when anchor text was all that was needed is long gone.

But of course if you want to go the link begging & buying route and chase rankings for just one willy waving phrase and ignore the sales you could make on the hundreds or thousands of other profitable phrases, you are quite at liberty to do so,

So may I recommend you visit (in no particular order)
V7n
SeoChat
DigitalPoint
WebWorkshop
WebProWorld

and avoid
HighRankings
IHelpYou
& Cre8asite

**ForrestCroce** · 12-02-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by -Genetic-

is put this way and the anchortext shown on the adobe website is a perfect example! on how the most trusted site. the higher the PR the better chance you can get those keywords you want

Adobe's 'click here' ranking is a perfect example. It was having millions of links from hundreds of thousands of domains with the anchor text that page is coming up #1 for. Not page rank. If it was simply pr, the same page would probably rank for click there, instead of mac.org. How 'trusted' a site is and how well a page on that site matches what somebody is looking for are two entirely different questions.

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Originally Posted by -Genetic-

if you say backlinking isnt the way to go, the future is verrrrrry Bleek for that website, and I really can't believe that something thats been used and claimed much success to many people.

I would think assuming there's only one way to go would be a good way to create a bleak future... I do much more to help my site every time I go off the grid and hike or camp in the mountains, than spending that same day or two chasing links. Here's an example.

**chammer** · 12-05-2007, 09:44 PM

I had a PR 0 also during 2 or 3 months and suddenly it was boosted to 3. I think that they update their PR stuff every 3 months or so, but here I mean google bar, because even before a few people were finding my site with some keywords. But you have to check if the referers are relevant also; if you get 100 links from a newsgroup, are they count equally with an hyperlink from a medical page wit a PR5 about weight loss (since your page is dealing with this). I think that there is another extra factor in the PR calculus, it's the relevance of the refering page. My guess is that newsgroups will not give that much because there is too many different topics, and farm links neither. Their tools will check how much the refering page/site is related to the topic that is on your page. Also if there is plenty of hyperlinks on the same page than your posts it will dilute yours. Did you try business directories at least?

**chammer** · 12-06-2007, 02:02 AM

Aaaaahhh... Will you purchase my software and ship me 16 containers of Hoodia pills to get slim in payment if I'm telling you what can be the cause?

I didn't read 100 books about PR but some articles here and there, on the other hand there is one thing about these books on Page Ranking; they describe an algorithm which is contantly evolving in order to detect spam. The algorithm of Google is improving every day, and those guys can't know what it will be exactly 6 months later.
Here's what I found when I looked at your website with whois.sc
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Title Relevancy100%Meta Description:The best diet pill and appetite suppressant is hoodia, (full name: Hoodia Gordonii), the best diet supplement is Hoodia Gordonii appetite suppresant. Hoodia Gordonii weight loss, the best diet pill and weight loss diet pills - diet pills from Hoodia Gordonii help you lose weight faster and better. ---------------------------------------------

I do not know if Google can blacklist a site for ever or if i'ts reversible, but let say... way too much.

**coolslko** · 12-06-2007, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Genetic-

Hey all

For a few months have been workin pretty hard to get some backlinks for my website, and have even used the help of some buisness offering help to get back links, and been trying to get up the page rank ladder (i'm currently at 0! still?!) but what really has caused concern for me is that if I type my web address in Google www.hoodia4u.co.uk I get 481 sites backlinking to me, or so it seems until I used a few page rank checkers I realised that only 3 of the pages were being backlinked.

So if you can help me understand why this is happening since alot of the pages I link to have nice pr mostly 2 upwards thanks.

according to my page rank results I have:

Yahoo - 1500 Backlinks
AltaVista - 312 Backlinks
AllTheWeb - 299 Backlinks
Google - 3 Backlinks

Got this info from this link:
http://www.smartpagerank.com/result....hoodia4u.co.uk

Well.......google knows about most of your links but not consider all links as backlink, it shows only most relevant quality links as backlink of a site and its updation time for backlinks is longer than other SE's.

And by typing www.hoodia4u.co.uk in search box gives you results for total presence of the www.hoodia4u.co.uk on the web and not the backlinks. google consider only most relevant quality links as backlink and shows it by entering link:yourdomain.com in google search box.

**corlock** · 12-06-2007, 10:43 AM

I think, when you check your backlinks in Google, it only shows the quality ones...

**chrishirst** · 12-06-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by coolslko

it shows only most relevant quality links as backlink of a site

Quote:

Originally Posted by corlock

I think, when you check your backlinks in Google, it only shows the quality ones...

No & No

**MattCoops** · 12-06-2007, 07:23 PM

If you are so worried about getting found for a particular search phrase, why not use adwords?

**chammer** · 12-06-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

No & No

For the links displayed by Google I'm not sure but I do not believe indeed that it 'only shows the quality links', there seems to be no pattern.
On the other hand when I checked the records regarding the website of this man there was obviously something weird; he created his website in July (as I did) but although I started to put stuff only at the end of August 2007 I got a PR 3 two months later. He has *plenty* of inbound links, far much than me, but the Google toolbar shows a PR of 0 on his site. The only explanation that I have is spam, his website description with a heavy repetition of the same keywords when you check with whois.sc.

Now even if it wasn't about spam I believe it's impossible to get a high PR with backdoor links that you create yourself. Most business directories allow you to list your site but the PR of the page where it is listed varies from 0 to 2 normally. Newsgroups and Forums? PR 0 in most cases. At least the page where the posts appear.
The people who are writting and selling books like 'how to get a high PR' never worked for Google and even if they had worked for this company they would be bounded by the secrecy; there is a few elements that transpire but not the whole picture. On the other hand if you are a programmer and you put yourself in the shoes of those analysts/programmers who have to design an algorithm to prevent such guys who don't get spontaneous links to make their way, how would you proceed?
Personally I would discard the excess of inbound links of low quality if the pattern gives none or too few inbound links from a page with a high PR. If people links your site spontaneously there is no reason to have an abnormal distribution of PR from the different pages that link to you.

**seolman** · 12-11-2007, 11:51 PM

As has been mentioned already, a squillion backlinks using the same anchor text may eventually increase your ranking for a single keyword; but how much real traffic will that bring you? Not to mention the battle you will have to gain a top position for a highly competitive term and stay there. Rich websites with quality content bring in loads of peripheral keyword traffic.

I'm still very proud of the fact my site was found for 'ruby lipped bat fish'. I'll bet none of YOUR sites have been found for that!

**Tone** · 12-12-2007, 03:29 AM

That is perfectly normal google only shows a tiny percentage of the overall back link picture compared to the other se's i wouldnt worry about it too much.