SEO Tycoon

**ved123** · 12-07-2007, 01:11 AM

Hi All,
Recently due to google PR update I have lost my websites PR from 7 to 4, As per mattcut it is due to the link trading, but we dont sell link, only provide important link to our other websites, and google is penalising for that.
Some websites which had lost PR is recovered again like searchenginejournal, youtube etc..

Can anybody know Is there any rule or way to recover the lost PR, I have already talk to google, and they are putting some other reason.

Please suggest.

(Please dont reply if you are only SEO, I need web specialist suggesion.)

Thanks.

**vangogh** · 12-07-2007, 03:51 AM

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we dont sell link, only provide important link to our other websites

Does that mean that you were interlinking your sites? I believe that was also one of the reasons sites lost PR.

Some sites lost PR because they were getting links from many of the sites that were selling links. Ultimately some industries have less overall PR flowing through them now, SEO being one of those industries. If everyone linking to you loses PR then you lose PR too. It's how the algorithm works.

You probably aren't going to just get the PR back. The usual building more links into your site is the answer to raising your PR again.

Is there a reason you're all that concerned? Have you lost traffic? The PR the toolbar shows hasn't been all that important for awhile now and continues to lose importance.

**jbladeus** · 12-07-2007, 07:41 AM

Shouldnt you be more concerned with the amount of traffic (or the lack of it) towards your website?

**corlock** · 12-07-2007, 03:26 PM

PR is not important -hamesy...

this is the thread that hamesy likes the best LOL...

well, there's no use crying over a spilled milk. PR can be recovered on its official PR update of course. so if you really want to get your PR back, better work on it until the update.

**Qwest** · 12-07-2007, 03:29 PM

Matt Cutts also stated the simple solution is to remove the offending links and submit a site reevaluation request.

**ForrestCroce** · 12-07-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vangogh

Does that mean that you were interlinking your sites? I believe that was also one of the reasons sites lost PR.

Interesting. I've been interlinking my sites to some extent. I didn't realize this would be looked down upon...

**vangogh** · 12-08-2007, 12:31 AM

Forrest it's more of a mass linking sort of thing. Think of it in the same way that Google would see you an I exchanging a link or two as one thing and they'd see majority of your links coming from link exchanges as another.

Google isn't going to frown on many link things until it's done a lot.

**chrishirst** · 12-08-2007, 11:45 AM

cross linking is an odd thing with SEs

If your sites/sub-domains are part of a GENUINE overall business strategy and you interlink them as if they were pages on a single site, (so you link backwards and forwards in your main navigation for example). It ends up been seen as natural linking (which it usually is)

IF on the other hand, your sites are there simply to link inwards to one "main" site in the hope of raising the ranking of that one expect to be disappointed or dumped.

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only provide important link to our other websites, and google is penalising for that.

Yes of course you are
The issue is of course most SEO types get it totally wrong and only ever think in search engine terms.
Think REAL people and you might just have a chance on not getting it wrong!

**ved123** · 12-10-2007, 01:28 AM

Thanks for the suggesions.

**ved123** · 12-10-2007, 01:57 AM

But What Google Recommend ??

http://www.google.com/support/news_p...97&ctx=sibling

"In general, webmasters can improve the rank of their sites by increasing the number of high-quality sites that link to their pages.."

"The heart of our software is PageRank™, a system for ranking web pages.."

"PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search.."

**dman_2007** · 12-10-2007, 03:30 AM

I don't think interlinking of your websites is that bad if your sites share the same theme, for example if you have a site related to cars and another one related to bikes, you can safely interlink them. Also, putting your company or personal homepage in the copyright notice in the footer is logical isn't it?

**ved123** · 12-17-2007, 03:11 AM

By making your website more search friendly and oneway quality link.

**ADAM Web Design** · 12-17-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Yes of course you are
The issue is of course most SEO types get it totally wrong and only ever think in search engine terms.
Think REAL people and you might just have a chance on not getting it wrong!

Read this part.

Read it again.

Read it a third time.

The answer couldn't be more clearly spelled out.

ved123, your mistake is the same mistake that the SEO crowd generally links. "Get links. They're SEO. Get links. Links. LINKS! DAMMIT, YOU NEED LINKS!" So you (not you specifically, but the SEO crowd in general) go out and you exchange links and you buy PR(x) links and you participate in whatever stupid contextual link schemes pop up and then you end up with a whole bunch of inbound links that aren't intended to generate any real traffic to your website but are there for "SEO purposes".

Now, here's why that logic is, always was, and always will be stupid: the base purpose of SEO is to generate traffic to a website. If you're going to go after links, why not go after ones that can generate actual users and therefore minimize or eliminate the need for SEO in the first place? This is known as diversification of resources: you get links from other sites that send you actual, real users that will interact with your site from a number of spots (not just one).

And for those who think that's silly, consider that it's something Matt Cutts agrees with (here's the original thread, for those who want to put it in context).

**ForrestCroce** · 12-17-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

If your sites/sub-domains are part of a GENUINE overall business strategy and you interlink them as if they were pages on a single site, (so you link backwards and forwards in your main navigation for example). It ends up been seen as natural linking (which it usually is)

IF on the other hand, your sites are there simply to link inwards to one "main" site in the hope of raising the ranking of that one expect to be disappointed or dumped.

There's a genuine strategy behind the whole thing, but at this point it's a few sites - including a subdomain from the main site - pointing back to one in the center. There's a mainly photography site with an adjunct blog that makes sense to link to related galleries, a portrait site trying to attract local customers for that particular service, and a software site with a dev blog; a lot of this part has to do with photography software. I've got a few apps hosted on my main domain that I plan to move over, but haven't finished yet.

I've soft of been under the impression most people enjoy a good photo; even if you're looking for something specific and find an unrelated but great image, it's a good five seconds before you head back to your search. But people coming to my site to look at different scenes from Grand Teton are much less likely to have any interest in how to read lens and shutter speed information out jpeg files...

**dvduval** · 12-18-2007, 01:10 AM

What is most important these days is the quantity and quality of visitors to your site. If you get that part right, the pagerank will be there eventually, so that is really the "secret" to regaining your rank.

**ved123** · 12-20-2007, 04:00 AM

Ok,
We have done lots of discussion about PR recovery, Today I met with Google, and they are returning our previous PR, Let see..

**chrishirst** · 12-20-2007, 05:45 AM

Pardon me while I PMSL!

**ADAM Web Design** · 12-20-2007, 12:13 PM

PMSL? Dude, even I don't know what that means.

**usearchme** · 12-20-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ved123

Ok,
We have done lots of discussion about PR recovery, Today I met with Google, and they are returning our previous PR, Let see..

Err how are they returning it back to you ? post email ? this meeting you had with google wasnt before several pints of strong lager was it ?

Woc
ps psml = piss my self laughin adam doh !

**Learning Newbie** · 12-20-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

PMSL? Dude, even I don't know what that means.

It's what happens to my wife every 28 days or so, right about the time when I get hit in the face with a frying pan. Apparently my nose needs straightening and our copay is too high, or something. Anyway, they call it that because "mad cow disease" was already taken.

Sorry, I couldn't help it.