SEO Tycoon

**happy_2b_kot** · 12-12-2007, 11:30 AM

Hello Folks, I am not quite sure this thread was not started before, but I believe it is still actual for lots of persons.

So have anyone ever heard rules of submitting site in to social bookmarks? For what actions your website could get banned on bookmark website? What could increase your weight on forum?

There should be some rules, and of course site owners do not run to place them, to stop gray-seos.
And I am currently learning them by trial and error method.

**chrishirst** · 12-12-2007, 12:39 PM

very very simple.

Read the rules on the site in question, FOLLOW THEM not BREAK them!!!!!

you don't need trial and error then.

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to stop gray-seos.

Not to stop ANY colour of SEO

It's to stop FOOLS that think every thing is there for them to abuse for a non-existent SE "benefit" as they they think fit!

**happy_2b_kot** · 12-12-2007, 01:16 PM

Great Chris, you are so kind.

RTFM is generally best suggestion that I have ever heard, but please look in mu msg

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There should be some rules, and of course site owners do not run to place them

Rules on S. Bookmark pages usually say: "Do not place dublicates of others links, do not spam and do not use for commercial needs.... bla bla bla"

Have you ever seen there such info like how many users may post from same IP? What would be done for advertising? How to avoid bann? etc

**chrishirst** · 12-12-2007, 03:18 PM

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How to avoid bann?

Don't break their rules.

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What would be done for advertising

These sites are not there for advertising purposes. Simple as that.
And the sooner the failed wannabee SEOs, who are now branding themselves as SMOs (Social Media Optimisers) and will fail at that also, because they don't have the imagination to move beyond their narrow field of vision, with their "get more links" mantra, realise that the sites don't exist for them to abuse the better.

**happy_2b_kot** · 12-12-2007, 03:39 PM

ok
I do "wannabee SEO" guy and trying to look for any needed info and seeking for answers for some questions that was not able to resolve bymyself.
I do not pray with "get more links" mantra, and I know that off site SEO is not only backlinks to site. But each step is needed to receive nice result. Am I right on this?

**ForrestCroce** · 12-12-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by happy_2b_kot

Rules on S. Bookmark pages usually say: "Do not place dublicates of others links, do not spam and do not use for commercial needs.... bla bla bla"

Have you ever seen there such info like how many users may post from same IP? What would be done for advertising? How to avoid bann? etc

One user per IP is a pretty good rule of thumb. And none from known proxy servers. Imagine that if you can find a proxy on a list somewhere, Digg and Reddit and Stumble can probably figure it out, too. But that's really beside the point; if you have to ask, it means you're breaking more basic and important rules.

None of the popular social bookmark services are there for advertising. That's why they're popular. You can use a few of them that are set up specifically for seo types, like Sphinn, but the reason they have 1 % or less of the user base on Digg is all the advertising. People - end users of the social bookmark sites - don't want to spend their time being advertised to. They don't seek adds out ... in fact, Stumble and Digg users are more likely than the general internet user to run an ad blocker.

Stumble sells advertising at $0.05 a click. If you're gonna insist on advertising something people are going out of their way to avoid, the honest way to go about that is pay the source. Having to create fake user accounts is a waste of your time, and leaves a detectable foot print. More to the point, if you've added a page and it didn't do well on a sb service, then it's not the type of content that's popular there. That's how most or all of them work ... when you added a page, other people saw it, and had the opportunity to vote for or against it. If people aren't voting for it, you're in a corner of the web that's just not very receptive toward your message.

**chrishirst** · 12-12-2007, 06:12 PM

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But each step is needed to receive nice result. Am I right on this?

Nope.

Each site is an independent entity, and as such require a different approach.
The pages on some sites may need more content, better internal navigation, a different page structure and less emphasis on links. Other sites may need more external links.
Every site and it's associated market place should be analysed to determine what approach is needed, AND that doesn't mean look at what the "competition" does then do the same but more of it.
What works for one site will probably not work for another.

THIS is where the skill is in SEO and where the majority of "experts", "gurus" and "masters" will never, ever get to.

Playing around with "social media", splogs and link begging just doesn't make the grade. All these kind of "SEOs" are concerned with are Search Engines and rankings, the idea of conversions (sales & enquiries) never crosses their mind.
Even the SE spammers are a cut above the incompetents, at least they make money for themselves and their clients!

**full house** · 12-13-2007, 08:37 AM

It takes time to do social bookmarkings!!! how can we make it fast?But quality one!

**happy_2b_kot** · 12-13-2007, 09:39 AM

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Playing around with "social media", splogs and link begging just doesn't make the grade. All these kind of "SEOs" are concerned with are Search Engines and rankings, the idea of conversions (sales & enquiries) never crosses their mind.

ok, maybe. then what other efective ways of "Off-site SEO" exept these could you recommend?

**chrishirst** · 12-13-2007, 07:26 PM

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then what other efective ways of "Off-site SEO" exept these could you recommend

What I would recommend is to realise there is no such thing as "off-site SEO" at all, and start thinking advertising and marketing on other sites.

Consider this;
Simple text links to your site are the handwritten "Roadside Cafe" or "Filling Station" signs along the roads, and Graphical links and Banner ads are the Advertising hoardings along the sides of the Information Super-Highway.

You should get the idea then.

**happy_2b_kot** · 12-14-2007, 10:36 AM

Thanks for this infio, Chris, probably I do give much time for backlinks generation.

Besides what could you suggest to read on SEO? any concrete manuals or books?