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Old 08-18-2006, 12:48 AM How To Earn TrustRank 0 and Never Rank!
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I was going to save this for my Montreal SEO blog, but it's something I thought was short and sweet so I could drop it in the forums.

Basically, the secret to earning a TrustRank 0 in the engines (try selling that site!) is to implement adsense ads or affiliate ads within days of its start. After reading Jon's suggestions as to niches over on the Wickedfire forum, I decided to launch a fly fishing blog. I did my keyword research, then set up my blog.

I got the on-page optimization done in a couple of hours, white-hat and all.

In all honesty, I have little to no clue about fly fishing, so almost all my content came from article directories. I wrote a bit on my own, but it was really boring.

Then, I went off and started link-trading. It has some links.

But the site isn't even indexed. And it's a blogger blog, so you know the googlebot showed up a few hours after creation.

So there you have it. Try and turn a quick buck, and you can be sure your site's going to be a waste of time. I understand why Lee waited a while before posting the TLA ads here.

Astute minds will notice that I mentioned my content was largely (50-60%) duplicate. It could be that that contributed to not even being indexed, but another google blog of mine is entirely original, optimized and all, and its not ranking either. Though it is indexed. The point being that the absence of rankings and trust is evidently not the result of the dupe content.

Incidentally, both triggered Google's splog warning, which made me type in stupid verification codes everytime I wanted to post. I think the fact I tried to monetize them so quick is what set Google off.

To summarize
1) I tried to monetize fast.
2) Google's splog alarm went off.
3) Duplicate content was used.
4) The dupe content site isn't even indexed, though it's been neatly seo-d. And I've been given to understand that duplicate content doesn't result in a penalty, just it won't give the bonus alloted to fresh content.
5) I wasn't very patient. Perhaps with more links, I'd have gotten somewhere with the fly fishing blog. Though the absence of indexation for a google blog suggests otherwise.

Which is partly why I'm here. I need to learn to monetize properly, without having the engines flip at me. Arguably, the fishing blog didn't add much value (though I got a kickass interview with some bigshot that was 100% original content; if you're going to run an affiliate blog, set up 100 interviews and wait a month or two before monetizing, all the while building up your links and seo). But my other blog that triggered the splog warning is 100% legit, offers great advice, and has me totally mystified as to the non-ranking.

Well that was my braindump. Probably a bit incoherent. If so, let me know and I'll edit tomorrow. I hope this helps fellow earners avoid having their blogs wasted.
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Oh, and if someone can explain why AdSense is available to brand spanking new blogs, when this will just set off the splog alert, then pray, do tell.
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:02 PM
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I have to respectfully disagree with your findings. There are a few things wrong with using your one website as being conclusive evidense.
- I don't think you said how long you put the sight up for, but I assume it was a short period of time. Ranking for decent terms (and sometimes even getting indexed) takes time. I agree you shouldn't expect to make money over night, but I wouldn't say throughing ads on your site from day one will doom you from the start.
- There are many other respectable webmasters that do put ads up from day one and do just fine.
- There could be lurking variables. There could be some key difference between your two sites that you never noticed that is causing your problems. - Apples to Oranges. The SE handle sites in different categories differently, making it difficult to compare sites in different subjects to each other.
- It doesn't make much sense. Why would Google penalize you for having adsense up?

All in all, I think there was something else that triggered the problems in your site. Also, I think you needed to give it more time to grow. I don't think putting ads up will harm your site. If it is a trigger for spam (which it might be a small one), time heals all wounds. That's why google has a sandbox and ages links. Prove you have a good site over time, and Google won't punish you for having ads on your site from the getgo.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:24 PM
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Good input JD! I appreciate the logical, analytical tone and smart points.

The sites were up for a short period of time. However, Google's blogs are spidered usually in about 6 hours time from creation, or within 24 hours (I forgot where I read that so you'll excuse me for not providing a source). For a Google blog to not even be in the index when you do a address.blogspot.com search, suggests the site has serious problems.

As to the monetization, it may not have been clear (I was typing in the wee hours of the morning), but it was adsense +aff ads.
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- There are many other respectable webmasters that do put ads up from day one and do just fine.
I'm sure there are respectable webmasters that do this (hey, I'm respectable; I've only ever done whitehat SEO, and I'm not involved in anything illegal), but having it on a Google blog means the ads are viewed before any links are established (unless you get some links VERY fast).

As to ranking, you're right that it takes time, but I wasn't suggesting the TR0 was obvious from the absence of position. I was saying it was obvious from the lack of indexation (as per an experiment the link building blog ran recently).

With regards to making money, I ironically did make some money: a few clicks netted me something like 57 cents and 10 cents ...

As to time healing all wounds, I'd say you have a point. But as in the link building blog experiment, starting a new site and grabbing good links (yahoo, msn, etc) is probably more effective than waiting around. At any rate, I should give it more time, you're right.

Incidentally, I don't believe in the sandbox. It's the SEO bogeyman.

Thanks again for sharing JD. I like your points, even if I don't agree.
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No way you got penalized because of Adsense ads. You are allowed to have Adsense ads from day one. Your dup. content or some problem with your link building could've triggered the problem.

I don't think anyone has ever been penalized for Adsense ads before (or proven)
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No, but it may be a splog trigger. And if you trigger that, there's probably a link to TrustRank.
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No, but it may be a splog trigger. And if you trigger that, there's probably a link to TrustRank.
Splog trigger may be one factor, but it is only a short term thing... I launched a few blogs in quick succession dealing with different parts of a game that triggered a splog code verification.

I was mainly experimenting with blogger as it was my first actual real blogs.

Some of the blogs now show in decent positions and do attract a few visitors a day, but not many as they are still new and have very few links - it was more about me getting used to and customising blogger templates than actually promoting the sites.

Anyway, all the blogs were taken off the splog trigger but that seems to have caused technorati to not react to them at all ... as when I originally made a post to one blog before the splog warning, Technorati did pick it up. I received 6 page impressions almost instantly and from that had X clicks that brought in over $1 ... literally within 5 minutes.

I had panicked thinking wtf someone is just clicking my links - I emailed google and got a reply along the lines 'it was organic results from blog related services'

So trustrank can effectively be returned quickly - although definately can affect you in the short-term.
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Old 08-27-2006, 04:00 PM
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Splog trigger may be one factor, but it is only a short term thing... I launched a few blogs in quick succession dealing with different parts of a game that triggered a splog code verification.

I was mainly experimenting with blogger as it was my first actual real blogs.

Some of the blogs now show in decent positions and do attract a few visitors a day, but not many as they are still new and have very few links - it was more about me getting used to and customising blogger templates than actually promoting the sites.

Anyway, all the blogs were taken off the splog trigger but that seems to have caused technorati to not react to them at all ... as when I originally made a post to one blog before the splog warning, Technorati did pick it up. I received 6 page impressions almost instantly and from that had X clicks that brought in over $1 ... literally within 5 minutes.

I had panicked thinking wtf someone is just clicking my links - I emailed google and got a reply along the lines 'it was organic results from blog related services'

So trustrank can effectively be returned quickly - although definately can affect you in the short-term.
How can you prove its a short term thing? My impression is that it's like Probation; trigger it, and you're going to get watched very carefully. In my case, adding the affiliate ads was probably a violation of probation, as it were.

Incidentally, has anyone read the Krishna Bharat paper on the HillTop algorithm?
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