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Old 05-07-2007, 05:57 AM Moving ahead with web 4.0
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I had previously posted articles on web 2.0 and web 3.0.The responses were quite similar.When i posted with web 2.0 the response was web 2.0 is finished and web 3.0 is in trend.When iposted on web 3.0 the response was web 4.0 is the current brand in software.This meandering article doesn't really offer muchin terms of defining what these various Web stages are.

I'll give it my shot:
Web 1.0 was the Hypertext/CGI Web. (the basics)
- Web 2.0 is the Community Web (for people: apps/sites connecting them).
- Web 3.0 is the Semantic Web (for machines).
Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 are a fork we are moving into now, where one is focused on internet architectures for people/community/usability and the other is focused on internet architectures for machines.
Web 4.0 is when these technologies come together to form what I call the "Learning Web". This is moving more into the area of

Artificial Intelligence.The Learning Web is where the Web is actually learning by itself and is a user alongside human users, generating new ideas, information and products without direct human input. This may be possible on a large-scale when more sensors/actuators/semantic structure/ontologies are advanced and in place someday (maybe 10-15 years).
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Uh the response to your posts was always the same: negative. That's because you plagiarize them from other people's blogs.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:28 PM
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Also I have never heard of the definitions you use.

I have always understood that Web 2.0 is any web application that uses AJAX or another clientside server connection, to load things in the background so that the application functions without page reloads.

Web 3.0 and up doesn't exist yet... in fact we are all still working on developing web 2.0 because there are sooo many applications out there that still need page reloads to function.

Like when you see the little swirly icon that something is loading in the background, or the way google earth works by loading stuff in the background while you are moving around, that kind of thing... that is web 2.0.

Now, you can try and coin new terms for web 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, whatever... but that doesn't mean they will stick. This is the first time I have heard them defined the way you define them.
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Old 05-07-2007, 05:16 PM
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Web 2.0 and all associated terms are just hype terms. The technologies that typify the so-called 'Web 2.0' have been around for ages.

What is different is the use of the XML-HTTP-Request object, now natively available in every major browser, to transport information from the server and return that to the page without reload. That's a paradigm shift, and it is very interesting. That's the only thing though.
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Old 05-08-2007, 04:23 AM
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Web 2.0 is from the 80's. I've been building Web 5.0 applications for quite some time now... :tooth:
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:06 AM
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Actually web 2.0 has design aspects as well.

And he's right it's also about community and user driven content.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:16 PM
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No, he's not right. Alex Mack got it right:

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What is different is the use of the XML-HTTP-Request object, now natively available in every major browser, to transport information from the server and return that to the page without reload. That's a paradigm shift, and it is very interesting. That's the only thing though.
Which is the same thing I said.

Now, you can "redefine" the term to be whatever you want, but when the term was initially coined, all it was meant to refer to was communication with the server in the background (using the xmlhttprequest object as Alex mentioned), also known as AJAX.

That's all Web 2.0 is and to call it something different is okay, but it's not what the term means to all the people who were the first to use it and still use it today.

Likewise, because it doesn't mean what marketraise int thinks it means, it's also a misnomer to use terms like web 3.0 and web 4.0 -- they don't exist. To use them is just marketing hype and sophistry. They don't exist.

And we still have a long way to go before web 2.0 (i.e., AJAX and/or clientside server communication without page reloads) is fully implemented. How many web applications are out there that still use page reloads between user operations? 90% or more. Web 2.0 is just getting started. Web 3.0 and 4.0 don't exist.
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Thank you very much for your support, Elemak. Good to see someone who knows what they're talking about
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