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Old 06-29-2007, 09:00 AM importance of PR questions
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Hi all

I am not sure if this is the correc forum t to ask these questions and if they are irrelevant or even stupid I apologize in advance. But first things first, I am totally new to websites and I know almost nothing yet I consider myself business savy enough to recognize that any business which allows you to buy a cash flow that pays for itself in 6 -24 months is a good business to be in. I have some money and I am eager to get started but first I got a few questions that I hope some of you veterans of the trade would be kind enough to answer for me

I would also like to mention that I am looking to get in touch with people who know the ins and outs of this business and want to possibly form a partnership of some kind. For those helpful enough to answer my questions I will try to offer some sort of incentive as well... ($$)

I read the following article prcomcompapers/pagerank/Pagerank and allthough I understood the concept the examples didnt really offer much in terms of what I wanted to know.


1. The examples in the above mentioned article basically deals with PR of 1,2,3,4 ...What I want to know is What if a brand new site got a single PR7 link from a page offering just one external link / 5 external links what would the PR of the brand new site get to?

(I know that no one knows the exact way this works so what I am looking for is someone who has actually experimented with this to give me their take on it)


2. whats the cash value of having a PR5 /PR6/PR7/PR8 page if any? (I read an article by Chris beasley on sitepoint where he was offered 1600$ for 20 links)

3. How hard would it be to sell PR 5/6/7/8 links of your own without involving the middleman? (looking for personal experiences, ideas on how to do it etc)

4. a few days ago there was an auction on sitepoint for the domain tammyflorian.com which was said to be a PR6. Someone said it was a fake and someone said it wasnt. I checked and it appears that the domain was an expired homepage for a vegas real estate agent. Would you be able to buy this domain and make say an adsense niche site completely unrelated to real estate and still get some value from the PR6 that the page allegedly has?
Would you be able to sell text links due to it being a PR6?

5. How do you value a domain that has a pagerank of 4/5/6/7/8 but has no traffic and no content?

6. I have browsed some forums and I see people talk about their sites being a strong PR 6 or a weak 7. All I am able to find is tools that offer just a numeric value and no indication of whether its a strong or weak one. Can anyone tell me where I can find such a tool?

7. it seems evident that if you get just one strong PR site to point to your site it will help your PR alot. But what if you have say a hundred PR4 pages point to your site instead of one PR7 or 8? what would improve a new pages PR most?

8. aside from being able to sell links the value of PR is that your page shows up higher in google when people make a search as far as I understand. From my experience this doesnt seem to hold up. I have a website in a very small niche and my site is a PR 3 while one of my competitors is a PR1 yet his site ranks way higher in google than mine. Why would this be? as far as I can see our sites are pretty much the same in terms of text and the service we offer. (obviously iam doing something wrong here so feel free to give me some tips on what I might be doing wrong)

answers to some of these questions and anything else you consider relevant and interesting to someone looking to start investing in some sites would be hugely appreciated.

thanks for your time.
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My simple advice would be do not focus on PR, it really is not that important to your rankings.
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I am not sure if this is the correc forum t to ask these questions and if they are irrelevant or even stupid I apologize in advance. But first things first, I am totally new to websites and I know almost nothing yet I consider myself business savy enough to recognize that any business which allows you to buy a cash flow that pays for itself in 6 -24 months is a good business to be in. I have some money and I am eager to get started but first I got a few questions that I hope some of you veterans of the trade would be kind enough to answer for me
No question is stupid, and with your business experience you probably recognize that value = cash. Provide value for yor customers, and they provide you with cash.

That said, PageRank is not "tangible" in that it's purely a perceived value item. A PR6 site is not guaranteed to get more traffic or make more money than a PR1. However a PR9 site is almost guaranteed to be hugely popular. So PageRank is an indicator of popularity, and PageRank of incoming links contributes to your own PageRank.

So you can only talk about PR in general terms - it's one of many factors and going into business strictly to "sell PR" is not recommended. But using PR wisely to convey percieved value for your advertising opportunities can increase the cash value substantially.

But in the end, yes PR sells. Case in point:

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1. The examples in the above mentioned article basically deals with PR of 1,2,3,4 ...What I want to know is What if a brand new site got a single PR7 link from a page offering just one external link / 5 external links what would the PR of the brand new site get to?
If that was your only backlink, I'd be surprised to see more than a 3 or 4. The relevancy of the link would also be a factor. High PR depends on all variables of the equation: relevancy, PR, quality, outgoing links, etc.

I believe the effect of each link is not seperable from the whole. What I mean is the individual effect of a single PR7 would be different if it was your only link than if it were one of many.

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2. whats the cash value of having a PR5 /PR6/PR7/PR8 page if any? (I read an article by Chris beasley on sitepoint where he was offered 1600$ for 20 links)
Factors include page quality, outgoing links, visitors, topic and of course where and how you sell the links. It completely depends on the site. But a PR7+ is almost guaranteed to make hundreds per month, regardless of topic. Just because it's a PR7, people will often forget about all other factors and just buy.

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3. How hard would it be to sell PR 5/6/7/8 links of your own without involving the middleman? (looking for personal experiences, ideas on how to do it etc)
This pivots on both your marketing skills and the quality of your sites. The market is there.

Many Webmaster forums have a dedicated forum for link sales, this is a good place to start. Pick the busy ones.

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4. a few days ago there was an auction on sitepoint for the domain tammyflorian.com which was said to be a PR6. Someone said it was a fake and someone said it wasnt. I checked and it appears that the domain was an expired homepage for a vegas real estate agent. Would you be able to buy this domain and make say an adsense niche site completely unrelated to real estate and still get some value from the PR6 that the page allegedly has?
Would you be able to sell text links due to it being a PR6?
You can grab dropped domains with PR and potentially hold on to it. If the backlinks are still out there and you continue to promote it.

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5. How do you value a domain that has a pagerank of 4/5/6/7/8 but has no traffic and no content?
You can't value it for ad sales but you can estimate based on the type of site you plan to roll out. PR doesn't really add much value to a domain unless it's at least a 5. You could sell a PR 7-8 for a nice price, but a legit PR7+ with no traffic/content is unheard of.

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6. I have browsed some forums and I see people talk about their sites being a strong PR 6 or a weak 7. All I am able to find is tools that offer just a numeric value and no indication of whether its a strong or weak one. Can anyone tell me where I can find such a tool?
Strong and weak PR is just a general reference to the strength of the site, e.g. the quality of the content, traffic and # of outgoing links (less = more). There are no varying degrees of PR that any tool can provide.

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7. it seems evident that if you get just one strong PR site to point to your site it will help your PR alot. But what if you have say a hundred PR4 pages point to your site instead of one PR7 or 8? what would improve a new pages PR most?
The most benefit would come from a combination of relevant mid and high PR backlinks.

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8. aside from being able to sell links the value of PR is that your page shows up higher in google when people make a search as far as I understand. From my experience this doesnt seem to hold up. I have a website in a very small niche and my site is a PR 3 while one of my competitors is a PR1 yet his site ranks way higher in google than mine. Why would this be? as far as I can see our sites are pretty much the same in terms of text and the service we offer. (obviously iam doing something wrong here so feel free to give me some tips on what I might be doing wrong)
PageRank does not determine your search standings. Good quality, relevant backlinks determine your rankings. Good quality, relevant backlinks also help determine your PageRank. However that does not mean PageRank determines your SERPs or vice versa. An important distinction to make and fundamentally a big part of the confusion behind PR. PR doesn't mean anything.

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