SEO Tycoon

**chandrakant** · 04-19-2008, 08:26 AM

Dear all, I am very new in seo and I want to know whether a web site page cache first or index first? and please explain me how to index the pages of web site. Please suggest me.

**chrishirst** · 04-19-2008, 09:29 AM

How do you index the pages ??? Why? Are you going to be running your own search engine?

Caching and Indexing by Internet Search Engines are two separate operations, neither of them have anything to do with how SEO would be handled so are not specially important.

**samoris** · 04-21-2008, 12:32 AM

I think he is asking very much seo related question.

Your link would index first and than cached. Google takes a snapshot of indexed pages, to use it for matching against the keywords being searched.
For example if you open www.google.com and search for cache:www.samoris.com
you will find the cached pages(not the current one) of www.samoris.com

Now to answer the second part of your question:

To index in Google or some other search engines, you need to submit it in those search engines. Like www.google.com/addurl
and need one link from a website or web directory that is already being indexed in search engines. For more information you can read http://linksleader.net/15/the-first-...link-building/

**davin** · 04-21-2008, 04:25 AM

without indexing you can not check cache pages

**x3mario** · 04-21-2008, 05:01 AM

Yep, a page should be indexed first before it is cached.

**chrishirst** · 04-21-2008, 02:22 PM

Actually you are all wrong.

The page code HAS to be cached in the datacentre before the indexer can read the page.
The datacentre cache for indexing is NOT necessarily the same as the public facing cache.
A page may well be indexed without there being a public cache version, and a page may be cached at a DC without having been indexed.

AND it is NOT SEO related, you can certainly block pages from indexing and/or caching but you have absolutely NO CONTROL over whether the pages will be cached or indexed.

**Brandon** · 04-21-2008, 02:31 PM

sry Christ, I disagree

indexed, then cached

if it's not indexed, then it has nothing to cache

**yankees51** · 04-21-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon

sry Christ, I disagree

indexed, then cached

if it's not indexed, then it has nothing to cache

Brandon I think you are wrong, you are confusing "index" with "crawl"

Cache is King!!!

**chrishirst** · 04-21-2008, 05:24 PM

Sequence of events is:

Crawler requests source code from a URI;
HTML source code is cached in the datacentre;
Indexer reads source from DC cache, extracts the URI to be placed in the crawler queues; Puts the document into a queue for analysis.

Other software agents then analyse the page.

**VirtuosiMedia** · 04-21-2008, 07:38 PM

"Backlinks. Get lots of them."

Wait for it...wait for it...

**umar.daraz** · 04-22-2008, 03:38 AM

Hi,

I think first google take a snapshot of a website which is called "cache" after that goolge index that page.So,cache is first process.

Thanks and Regars,
Umar Daraz

**meet2rakeshjha** · 04-22-2008, 04:13 AM

Dear All

I am totally confused with your arguments. Please tell me exact who's come first.

**manishwebmaster** · 04-22-2008, 04:48 AM

Caching and indexing are two different thing...indexing means making a web page searchable while caching means making a page viewable online..So don't be confuse..

As per your question which first..then obviously search engine index your site initially then make a cached page of it..

**Ezhel** · 04-22-2008, 07:45 AM

you got it right!

Quote:

Originally Posted by manishwebmaster

Caching and indexing are two different thing...indexing means making a web page searchable while caching means making a page viewable online..So don't be confuse..

As per your question which first..then obviously search engine index your site initially then make a cached page of it..

**yankees51** · 09:39 AM

For the love of Pete... How can you index something you haven't seen? - They CRAWL first

Here's a novel idea - try reading the entire post

**meet2rakeshjha** · 04-22-2008, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankees51

For the love of Pete... How can you index something you haven't seen? - They CRAWL first

Here's a novel idea - try reading the entire post

who said it doesn't crawl first...??Just read the thread carefully dear

**yankees51** · 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meet2rakeshjha

Dear All

I am totally confused with your arguments. Please tell me exact who's come first.

First of all you were totally confused - and secondly you're a blockhead. So for the love of Pete read the entire thread first - specifically this post:

Quote:

Sequence of events is:

Crawler requests source code from a URI;
HTML source code is cached in the datacentre;
Indexer reads source from DC cache, extracts the URI to be placed in the crawler queues; Puts the document into a queue for analysis.

It's not a stretch for me to understand your confusion in the first place - but please explain how you became an expert 3 posts later? The sequence of events is:

at 3:00am you are confused, by 9:00am you are an expert (giving advice in another thread on the same subject)

Quote:

Originally Posted by meet2rakeshjha

Dear Brother
Cached and Index both are different things but i understanding you in a following way pleas have a look :-

First come - Crawler then Indexing and last show cached

Indexing means making a web page searchable while cached means making a page viewable online

And lastly don't call me "dear" cos' you look like a dude in your picture

**willcode4beer** · 04-22-2008, 01:47 PM

These comments are getting absurd.

To see how it's done, build your own search engine. It's not that hard (you'll also see that Chris was right in his post).
So what are the steps?

Well first, you'll need something to visit websites and follow links. Let's just call this a crawler.
Next, you'll need the crawler to store copies of the pages it find so they can be indexed somewhere, let's call this storage place a cache.
You're going to need something to build a search tree from the copies of the pages in the cache, let's call this, the index.
Since a lot of websites go offline and change frequently, a nice service to your users could be an option to display the pages that you keep in your cache (that matched the search), let's call this the public cache.

Sometimes the simplest way to figure out what's going to is to go through the steps of a re-implementation.

**chrishirst** · 04-26-2008, 05:33 AM

Just thought I would add this as a bit of a demonstration.

hawaii_hotel_discounts_head.jpg

( blacked out my gmail address and some potential market research

)

Take note of the crawl time - 9 hours ago, the thread had only been started 5 hours before that.

AND more importantly NOTE THE LACK OF A PUBLIC cache link.