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Old 06-05-2008, 04:11 PM SEO Shortcuts
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This is in response to this reply, but I felt like it deserved its own topic.

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I wouldn't agree there aren't shortcuts. If you have a good phrase in less than 30.000 pages you can use blogs that are Google 'friends' (like weebly) and you'll rank in matter of hours, learned this on <referral link removed>

PLUS, you can get highly ranked using eHow articles, of course, content is VERY IMPORTANT and it's value in the first two methods I mentioned above.

If you're with a new site, you're a new kid in the block for the search engine, but if you're into the 'friendly' blog networks then you're hanging with some of the best kids in the block
I agree with you, but I don't.

In testing, I've been able to get links to a new Squidoo page listed in under 10 minutes for the first position of the first page on Google for a keyword phrase with just over 30,000 results. With about an hour and a half more worth of work, I was able to completely dominate the first page of results on Google. It took a couple days for everything to take effect, but then (and now, almost 6 months later), the first result is my Squidoo page and 9 of the first 10 and 13 of the top 20 results are in some way related to the Squidoo page. It was easy, but I'm sure a more competitive keyword phrase would require more work.

Does that sound like a shortcut? It might, but let me tell you why it's not. To date, despite having great ranking for that phrase and having a lot of text available for other phrases, the Squidoo lens has only had 44 visits. It hasn't made any money. Also, as I thought about some of the methods I used (which I won't go into detail about), I realized that, while they weren't blackhat, they were basically a form of Internet spam. Even though I didn't actually send anyone anything or post on anyone's blog, I also didn't create any unique value. If you're legit, taking similar "shortcuts" is going to undermine the credibility of your brand and your shortcut is going to hurt you in the long run.

There are quite obviously SEO techniques and some of them work better than others. However, employing those techniques needs to revolve around creating value for your visitors. Nothing will replace doing things the right way. I certainly don't have anything against marketing, but I think spamming will only hurt you. Why not rather concentrate on creating value that people will talk about and link to organically? Your traffic will be higher, your ranking will be higher, and your conversions will be higher. Creating value takes time, effort, testing, and it isn't very sexy. You can automate some tasks and learn how to perform the quicker and smarter, but there just simply is no get-rich-quick-so-you-never-have-to-work-again-with-only-an-hour-of -work-shortcut-substitute for it.

In practicing SEO, your methods are as important as the results they produce. Before you do something, think about what that method says about you and your brand.

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Old 06-05-2008, 09:51 PM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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To illustrate the point somewhat, here is an interesting article about Google testing their homepage for user optimization.
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Old 06-06-2008, 04:17 AM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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agree, but I think it SHOULD BE COMBINED WITH SELLING. It sounds good all...create value, what about selling that value? You know, the most successful things are not the best one, but the best selling ones.
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Old 06-06-2008, 05:36 AM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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agree, but I think it SHOULD BE COMBINED WITH SELLING. It sounds good all...create value, what about selling that value? You know, the most successful things are not the best one, but the best selling ones.
I very much agree with what you say here. You can have the best value in the world, but it doesn't do you any good if no one knows about it. However, my point was more that shortcuts that undermine your brand aren't really shortcuts at all, whether they are used in user optimization, search engine optimization, marketing, or anything else related to your business. Definitely, though, don't hesitate to market your products, just do it in a way that enhances your brand and your corporate goals for both the short and long term.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:12 PM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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VM it's a good point not to undermine your brand. Too many people only think short term and don't seem to be willing to wait for the payoff.

There are times when a shortcut is ok, provided it doesn't undermine things. A big part of marketing and seo is understanding the pros and cons of different strategies and tactics and balancing things to come out ahead.

Sometimes you're fine with the cons. For example someone might try to write an article or post that attacks a commonly held thought and they may do it in such a way to anger those who hold that common view. The con of course is potentially angering a lot of people to the point of never again being able to build a relationship of any kind with them.

However if your intention was to attract a group of people who already held views against the common you'll probably pick up an audience that's now passionate in their admiration for you.

Is it necessarily the best way to attract an audience? It's not an approach I'd want to take, but for some it can fit well with the goals of some.

It all comes done to what your goals are and how you walk that pro and con tightrope.
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:16 AM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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For example someone might try to write an article or post that attacks a commonly held thought and they may do it in such a way to anger those who hold that common view. The con of course is potentially angering a lot of people to the point of never again being able to build a relationship of any kind with them.

However if your intention was to attract a group of people who already held views against the common you'll probably pick up an audience that's now passionate in their admiration for you.
Maybe this particular quote should be in the Can anyone describe the term " Link Baiting".

There could be a danger of the usual suspects actually understanding something then (or maybe not)
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I guess that does fit in the other thread, but I don't think we'll ever be in danger of the usual suspects understanding something. In fact I'll give you three guesses what will be in the first post behind the quote if we add it and I'm 100% certain you'll guess right.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:29 AM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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I agree with all in thread, and will try idea

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Old 06-10-2008, 01:07 PM Re: SEO Shortcuts
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For me, there is nothing such as shortcut. Shortcut for me mean BLACKHAT method. =p
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