SEO Tycoon

**leejonson74** · 03:23 PM

I am new in seo and I optimize my own site name is www ukpaydayloans.me.uk If its good optimization then why is it not coming my site in SERP please if any one has answer then tell me. I am using all SEO off page techniques.

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**wayfarer07** · 06-23-2008, 11:58 AM

Off page is practically a dead art. Learn on-page.

**ssandecki** · 06-23-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wayfarer07

Off page is practically a dead art. Learn on-page.

Do you have any concept of search engine optimization? Off-page optimization is the key method to ranking properly in Google's search results after you've preformed proper on-page optimization. This has to be the worst advice I've see on the forums all day.

**dave9713** · 06-24-2008, 04:19 AM

I'll second that ssandecki

**wayfarer07** · 11:00 AM

Yes, I have done SEO professionally. We bought links, but spent almost all of our efforts optimizing content. Off page is pretty meaningless, especially in the American markets. If you create good content, people will link to you. If you try to Jimmy the system, you will be penalized. Links don't matter unless they have good keywords in their anchor text. 95% of your effort should be in making sure keywords actually appear on the pages you have total control over.

I worked for a large network that had several sites. All of them were linked together, but we NOFOLLOWED the links, for good reason. Everyone thinks that links are the magical solution, but this kind of thinking is a throwback to the link-farm days, which is exactly the kind of thinking that made backlinking practically worthless these days. Don't get me wrong, you still need links coming in to your site, but most of your time should be spent on improving your content.

Read this: http://www.carlocab.com/golden-seo-tips/ <- this site with only 30K backlinks trounced a site with 3 million backlinks.

**mmklon** · 06-24-2008, 01:54 PM

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this site with only 30K backlinks trounced a site with 3 million backlinks.

Only 30,000 backlinks? That is a very substantial number of backlinks. All this shows it that there is a point of diminishing returns.

You are right that having good original content should be the main priority though.

**wayfarer07** · 06-24-2008, 02:39 PM

It took him less than a year to build 30K backlinks. It is mostly just bloggers linking to each other. He is only a PR4.

**dave9713** · 06-25-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wayfarer07

Yes, I have done SEO professionally. We bought links, but spent almost all of our efforts optimizing content. Off page is pretty meaningless, especially in the American markets. If you create good content, people will link to you. If you try to Jimmy the system, you will be penalized. Links don't matter unless they have good keywords in their anchor text. 95% of your effort should be in making sure keywords actually appear on the pages you have total control over.

I worked for a large network that had several sites. All of them were linked together, but we NOFOLLOWED the links, for good reason. Everyone thinks that links are the magical solution, but this kind of thinking is a throwback to the link-farm days, which is exactly the kind of thinking that made backlinking practically worthless these days. Don't get me wrong, you still need links coming in to your site, but most of your time should be spent on improving your content.

Read this: http://www.carlocab.com/golden-seo-tips/ <- this site with only 30K backlinks trounced a site with 3 million backlinks.

Really? Appears that I have been doing the wrong job...

So I should get clients to write useful content and hope people link to it and rank for insurance? If you want something done do it yourself and do it properly.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Ranks number one for the term "click here" ... does it have the term on page at all? No... but millions of others do. It has one hell of a lot of links though with the anchor text "click here"... coincedence? Links Links Links!

Straight from the horses mouth in part of google's link algorythm patent. (Which includes 22 pages of why links are a huge part of the algorythm)

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Ideally, a search engine, in response to a given user's search query, will provide the user with the most relevant results. One category of search engines identifies relevant documents based on a comparison of the search query terms to the words contained in the documents. Another category of search engines identifies relevant documents using factors other than, or in addition to, the presence of the search query terms in the documents. One such search engine uses information associated with links to or from the documents to determine the relative importance of the documents.

**Learning Newbie** · 06-25-2008, 03:25 PM

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So I should get clients to write useful content and hope people link to it and rank for insurance? If you want something done do it yourself and do it properly.

Following this logic, how will I get a link from the BBC web site, when I don't have control over it? I don't want links from freds-bbc-knockoff.blogspot.com which has 3 visitors, I need links from the real BBC. Give that some thought, because the journal Science is next.

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http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

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Ranks number one for the term "click here" ... does it have the term on page at all? No... but millions of others do. It has one hell of a lot of links though with the anchor text "click here"... coincedence? Links Links Links!

I'll bet you dollars to donuts Adobe didn't make 1 % of 1 % of 1 % of the links pointing to that page, with the anchor text "click here" or any other text. Adobe achieved the "success" you're pointing to by following WayFarer's advice, not by chasing and begging links.

**chrishirst** · 06-25-2008, 03:50 PM

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Links Links Links

Anchor text, Anchor text, Anchor text actually.

Yep sure, Anchor text is still a powerful force for Google, and Google "bombing" still works, but it is getting less and less so. BUT it is only one page for one phrase that gets the weight of the anchor text.

**zeruel** · 06-26-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wayfarer07

Off page is practically a dead art. Learn on-page.

I disagree. It is one of the very important factor to rank well on SEs. So if you think it is a "dead art"... No chances of you to knockdown some established sites...

**Himalayan** · 06-26-2008, 07:35 AM

On-page optimization is first thing on website like - meta tag placement, content optimization with the use of targeted keyword, image optimization with the use of alt tag on it, and many more things to do.

For getting rankings in search engine result pages you need to add your site to relevant websites.

**dave9713** · 06-26-2008, 07:40 AM

Client's who are in the new's pretty much always attract links from the likes of the BBC, Independant etc. Ofcourse you are never going to get BBC links unless there natural because there not interested in taking money from you.

However with the right amount of money you can buy links from pretty much anywere on the web, not directory or blog links, quality links from quality sources. A lot of links you see aren't as natural as they look. Why wait for search results which may happen when you can go out there and get them yourself?

Of course Adobe's links are natural, I was simply trying to prove the effect links have on search results, heck if you want to build something amazing then go ahead and embed a link with the anchor text "loans" and then wait... then go ahead. All i care about is results and carefully placed paid links gets them.

**Learning Newbie** · 06-26-2008, 01:46 PM

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However with the right amount of money you can buy links from pretty much anywere on the web, not directory or blog links, quality links from quality sources.

How much should I expect to pay for links from these web sites, and how can I go about buying them?

And so forth. I can get a link from Nature for free if I write a good enough article. I don't think the one I'm working on right now, on mtDNA in Fuegans will get me noticed by Nature or TED. But that's my fault. On the other hand, I don't believe I can buy a "search engine friendly" link from any of those sites, and those are the ones I'd like links from.

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Why wait for search results which may happen when you can go out there and get them yourself?

Because we can draw up a matrix of possibility and probability, and this is the best approach. I can go out there and troll for links, but I won't get any worth having. I can hope to attract quality links from quality sites, and it may happen. Might is better in my book than won't.

You can get all the links, links, links in the world from blogspot, but I'm interested in quality ones that will drive quality traffic, and that's the answer to the why question.

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Of course Adobe's links are natural, I was simply trying to prove the effect links have on search results

No one is questioning whether links are counted. The details we need to ask about are which links, and how the ones that count can be acquired.

**dave9713** · 06-27-2008, 06:56 AM

Actually, by some wierd coincidence I have bought some links on the homepage from one of those sites you mentioned. And yes it wasn't cheap, but it was worth it as I got to help decide placement and the anchor text. And it did the job as we hit the targets we had to meet.

I have to kindly disagree with you John, notice I said quality in my last post. I can safely say with a sound budget from a client you can acquire links from most places on the web. I have never bought a link from a blogspot and I never intend to, these types of links are the type you get naturally easily. Pretty much every website needs money for hosting, staff etc. So people are more than willing to comprimise and give me links for a decent price as long as it doesn't appear paid and links of to respectable sites.

Lets not forget that most high profile companies don't want to comprimise there site in any way. Thats fair enough as long as they pay enough to justify that were going to have to spend a lot of money on getting them links.

I enjoy a good debate however (not meaning to sound brash) as long as were still hitting all targets and ranking for some of the most competetive terms on the web on the back of paid links then no one can really change my mind.

**rsrikanth05** · 06-27-2008, 07:04 AM

SEO is not merely getting your page as numberone.
It doesn't happen in a dy, oit requires a lot of patience.

**francis84** · 06-27-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ssandecki

Do you have any concept of search engine optimization? Off-page optimization is the key method to ranking properly in Google's search results after you've preformed proper on-page optimization. This has to be the worst advice I've see on the forums all day.

I agree with you... Many SEO Practitioners know how important Off Page Optimization is.

**chrishirst** · 06-27-2008, 11:02 AM

only work on the page is OPTIMISING anything off page is advertising

**rsrikanth05** · 06-27-2008, 11:30 AM

I still don't get Google's funda.
What is wrong with advertising?

**h20ho** · 06-27-2008, 03:59 PM

I think its important to use proper anchor text and treat the actual paragraph that is being used to link to you if possible, such as in a forum post, with pure SE optimization.