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Old 07-07-2008, 09:45 AM "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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"Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"

Examine the proper techniques of Search Engine Optimization as well as which ones to avoid.

http://megaadonline.tradepub.com/c/p...c:&pc=w_more01

The world of Search Engine Optimization has a colorful past of both good quality techniques and poor quality techniques, also known as Spam. Search Engine Optimizers have been categorized as White Hat or Black Hat. The White Hat techniques embrace a "Best Practices" approach to SEO. They typically work for both the good of the Web site and the good of the Search Engines. Black Hat techniques can actually harm results and devalue a web site.
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Old 07-07-2008, 02:06 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Spam is a poor quality technique, huh? And white hat is a best practice?

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Old 07-07-2008, 09:55 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Don't - Don't post them in the Internet Marketing and Advertising Forum
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:33 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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and some of the dont's are not totally detect by SEs..
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:08 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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I can already tell this is going to be one of those biased BS articles painting White Hat as the way forward, and Black Hat as a dark art for spammers and hackers.

If you study 100 White Hat SEO books, and 0 Black Hat SEO books, you've learnt precisely jack all as far as I'm concerned. There'll always be someone with more knowledge at their disposal ready to outrank you.
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:42 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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that was a helpful link... im new to the seo game and am in search of some pointers... got any you could shoot this way? my site is < link drop removed >

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Old 07-10-2008, 07:04 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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http://www.highrankings.com/forum/in...?showtopic=833
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:38 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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that was a helpful link... im new to the seo game and am in search of some pointers... got any you could shoot this way? my site is < link drop removed >
http://searchengineland.com/

that should keep you busy for a while
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:54 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Found this new white paper, enjoy to those who can download it for free
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"Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"

Examine the proper techniques of Search Engine Optimization as well as which ones to avoid.

http://megaadonline.tradepub.com/c/p...c:&pc=w_more01
I don't think the article quoted by you is worth reading
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:43 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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There is alot of do's and don't list. What keyword do you rank first page in?
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:12 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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follow google guidelines only
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:48 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Found this new white paper, enjoy to those who can download it for free
(USA & Canada only)

"Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"

Examine the proper techniques of Search Engine Optimization as well as which ones to avoid.

http://megaadonline.tradepub.com/c/p...c:&pc=w_more01

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I have to say, this smells like spam. It wants you to register??
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:57 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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I can already tell this is going to be one of those biased BS articles painting White Hat as the way forward, and Black Hat as a dark art for spammers and hackers.

If you study 100 White Hat SEO books, and 0 Black Hat SEO books, you've learnt precisely jack all as far as I'm concerned. There'll always be someone with more knowledge at their disposal ready to outrank you.
Martin - I don't understand what you are saying. Do you really believe in the dark side? *gasp*

If so, I buy the argument that black hat gets results - in the short term.

But what about long term?
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:27 AM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Martin - I don't understand what you are saying. Do you really believe in the dark side? *gasp*

If so, I buy the argument that black hat gets results - in the short term.

But what about long term?
I've explained this so many times, but I'll go through it again.

White Hat websites always have been, and always will be, the best websites for making money online.

What people don't seem to understand - through a combination of terrible close-mindedness and a lack of unbiased coverage in the mainstream SEO community - is that Black Hat is often the difference maker between a website that languishes in the rankings, and a competitor's website that seems untouchable at the top of Google.

Black Hat websites are useless on their own accord. But I when I build them, I don't build them to make sales. I only hope that they'll get enough Adsense clicks to cover their own costs.

The real advantage of Black Hat comes in leveraging millions upon millions of links to send power to the rest of your network. This gives me a massive advantage over my strictly White Hat competition.

If I grab a few cheap databases and put my turnkey scripts to good use, it'll only take a couple of months for me to get a million pages indexed in Google.

These pages are spread across 20 or 30 sites on one server. I don't give a **** what's on them. I don't care how accurate they are. The only thing I care about is Google sending its spiders to crawl and index my site.

So what do I have? A million pages, each with room for me to link to my Grey Hat sites.

I use my million backlinks to send an absolutely huge boost to my second-tier foundation sites. For these, I like to use Squidoo, Hub Pages and Wordpress. I'll start to promote a few extra affiliate products and soon enough, I'm ranking well for my keywords thanks to the massive competitive advantage of having a million backlinks in my pocket pointing to the sites.

So now, I have 20 or 30 Black Hat sites scraping content and using database scripts. These all pay for themselves with a couple of Google Adsense clicks here or there.

I have a tier of Grey Hat sites hosted parasite style. These draw a great amount of natural traffic from their communities - Squidoo as a fine example.

My Black Hat sites are helping the Grey Hat sites to rank well. So what do I do now?

That's right. I build a few 100% clean White Hat sites on a seperate server which I can now pay for thanks to my growing network of sites. These White Hat sites are completely detached from my other Black Hat and Grey Hat sites. They don't link to them at all.

But, of course, I can still use my Grey Hat sites to link to the White Hat money site.

While my strictly White Hat competitors scramble around using blog comments and link bait to try and increase their ranking, I have an absolutely crushing advantage in that I can leverage the power of the network I've already built.

This is a network which is only possible using Black Hat and Grey Hat SEO.

You asked me how I sustained it long term, and the answer is very easily.

I keep my goals realistic. I don't try to make money with Black Hat websites. I simply build them so that when the time comes that I want to launch a White Hat site, I don't have to spend time fluffing around for links like everybody else.

To simplify what I'm saying.

Black Hat websites -- send power to --> Grey Hat websites -- sends power to --> White Hat website.

The White Hat website enjoys the boost without ever having to compromise its integrity.

As for the "dark side". No, I don't believe this puts me on the dark side.

Black Hat SEO is fair game, as far as I'm concerned. When was the last time Google ASKED if it could come and spider your website to use for profit?

The last time I checked, Google had as much right to tell me how to design a site as Yahoo, MSN or little Jimmy and his hotscripts search engine down the road.

There is no dark side here. You're either indexed by Google or you're not.

The day Google gives a **** about my business guidelines will be the day I give a **** about theirs.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:07 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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That's an interesting strategy, very clever.

I'm new to SEO but I do know there are some smart engineers (a lot smarter than I am) behind SE's. Wouldn't it be relatively easy for them so see patterns like that? And then blacklist the white hat site?

I mean if they can index billions upon billions of pages I'm guessing scripts can be written to analyze who's linking to who (or whom), then run pattern checks, probability checks, time links established checks, and probably a hundred other checks. Plus, it would cost them no time, really, to do this. Let the bot run a billion times a day, when it pops up a red flag, investigate the pattern further with humans or another bot. Their #1 goal has got to be keeping their search results organically pure or it affects the integrity of their brand.

I don't know, maybe not. Maybe I'm making it sound too much like a conspiracy theory.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:37 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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Your guess is as good as mine there.

The trouble search engines are faced with is that taking that approach can be a double edged sword.

Suppose I want to eliminate my competitors from the rankings, I could do something as simple as change the Black Hat links to their website instead. Is Google to act on that alone and ban my rivals from the rankings one by one?

It's the "reasonable doubt" that Google has which keeps the strategy effective.

The reasonable doubt is planted by being extremely clever with your planning. If you'll read back, you'll see me mentioning that the White Hat site is on a different server. Well, it's also registered using a different domain service under a different name on a different IP address in a different country.

The only thing connecting me to that Black Hat project is the fact that it's linking to my White Hat site - usually indirectly.

Most of the "Black to White" linking that you mention is busted by Google because the webmaster simply hasn't covered his tracks. Whether it be by hosting a mix of White Hat and Black Hat on the same server, using the same domain registration details, or even linking to both websites in a self-serving portfolio page!

It's possible to make life for that search engine bot an absolute nightmare. And you mustn't forget that my White Hat site will act just like a White Hat site should. It'll be gathering natural links from trusted websites to plant even more doubt as to its Black Hat roots.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:48 PM Re: "Do's and Don'ts of Search Engine Optimization"
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To bad that the link didn't take you to information that you could access now!
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