SEO Tycoon

**ghettocars** · 09-23-2008, 03:24 PM

I'm assuming the following is bad practice as this is not at all useful or necessary for anyone visiting the website.

Example:

<a href="california-kitchen-cabinets/san-diego-custom-kitchen-cabinets.html" title="san diego kitchen cabinets">Terms and Conditions</a>
<h1>About Us</h1>
<a href="california-custom-kitchens/san-diego-kitchens.html" title="san diego kitchen cabinets">
<img src="Brandon12.jpg" alt="san diego kitchen cabinets" />
</a>

Obviously the Terms and Conditions don't need the title "San Diego Kitchen Cabinets" as this won't help users at all and isn't relevant to what the page will contain when clicked on.

And secondly, the image named "Brandon12.jpg" contains alt tag "San Diego kitchen cabinets" which is also irrelevant since the picture seems to be of someone named Brandon.

This is obviously optimized to rank in the 1st page for keywords like "San Diego Kitchen Cabinets" and "San Diego Custom Kitchens", and this doesn't provide much benefit to users (not like everyone benefits from the title attribute anyways).

Either way, can this be penalized by google, or does google not care?

**Learning Newbie** · 09-23-2008, 03:37 PM

It probably depends as much on the rest of what's going on on the site. Google don't tend to punish the first instance of anything they don't like - it tends to be a preponderance of the evidence.

That said, title attributes in links won't even rank a page last in a search, for terms that only exist in that attribute. So it's not buying anything, either.

**chrishirst** · 09-23-2008, 03:42 PM

keywords in the URL are of so little value why would they care. And the page names appear to be no more than the majority of CMS and "blog" turn out.

Title attributes are not even read as on-page text by search engines.

alt attributes (they are NOT "tags") are read as the anchor text for linked images, so if the page is about "Kitchen Cabinets in San Diego" the alt attribute would appear to be perfectly acceptable by any standards. So no keyword "stuffing" in evidence there at all.

People, you really need to have a sense of scale. alt attribute keyword "stuffing" is NOT having a handful of words in the alt text, it's having several dozen words or hundreds of words crammed in there.
You will never make good SE spammers, none of you think big enough.

**wayfarer07** · 09-23-2008, 04:07 PM

Sooooo... what ur saying, is we should add hundreds, or at least dozens of words into the alt TAGS, isn't that right?

**ghettocars** · 09-23-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

It probably depends as much on the rest of what's going on on the site.

The rest of the site would look exactly like that example, except adding more keywords having to do with kitchens and cabinets.

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

alt attributes (they are NOT "tags")

typo

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

are read as the anchor text for linked images, so if the page is about "Kitchen Cabinets in San Diego" the alt attribute would appear to be perfectly acceptable by any standards. So no keyword "stuffing" in evidence there at all.

Interesting...

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

People, you really need to have a sense of scale. alt attribute keyword "stuffing" is NOT having a handful of words in the alt text, it's having several dozen words or hundreds of words crammed in there.
You will never make good SE spammers, none of you think big enough.

Again, my example is very small and limited.

Thanks for your input.

On that topic, I've heard rumors of meta tags not being as important as they used to be for search engines. Yet I've seen instances where there have been keywords stuffed into the abstract, description, keywords (lol), and summary meta's as well as the title tag.

By what you've said, If it's relevant to the page I'm guessing it's acceptable?

**ghettocars** · 09-23-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wayfarer07

Sooooo... what ur saying, is we should add hundreds, or at least dozens of words into the alt TAGS, isn't that right?

Don't forget about spamdexing the ul attribute.

**Learning Newbie** · 09-23-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettocars

The rest of the site would look exactly like that example, except adding more keywords having to do with kitchens and cabinets.

You don't link to porn sites that sell drugs and stolen credit cards, then?

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Originally Posted by ghettocars

On that topic, I've heard rumors of meta tags not being as important as they used to be for search engines. Yet I've seen instances where there have been keywords stuffed into the abstract, description, keywords (lol), and summary meta's as well as the title tag.

I'm not sure the description and keywords ever had the value they used to.

Title is the single most important tag on the page. If you were a search engine and only had room to store one tag, that would be the one. The description is shown to users, but not used in ranking. Keywords as a meta tag might be used by Joe's Drunk and Rambling Search Engine, but not by any of the real ones.

BUT, if you look around SEO forums for a while, you'll see a great deal of misinformation. People stuff those useless tags (apart from description, it's useful it it convinces a user to click your site instead of the other 9 in a search result) because they think it will help them, and don't know how to test that.

**jabo** · 09-24-2008, 04:39 AM

Would you need to place alt tag if there is already a title tag or is it ok that both exist?
example
<img src="website" alt="keywords" title="keywords">

**chrishirst** · 09-24-2008, 05:44 AM

http://www.webmaster-talk.com/graphi...xt-images.html