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Old 12-15-2008, 04:38 PM Bounce Rate and SEO
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I have read a couple of articles that correlate bounce rate and search engine performance (at least for Google). I'm trying to figure out what exactly is considered a bounce and some other stuff, so I made a list of questions:

1. What is the duration for a single page visit until it is no longer considered a bounce when a visitor leaves?

2. What if a visitor lands on a page, and then visits another page within 5 seconds and then closes the browser. Is that considered a bounce?

3. When external links are opened in a new window (i.e. target_blank, rel="external", onclick=... etc) is it considered a bounce? Is there any difference between using HTML and Javascript to open a new window?

4. If opening external links in a new window is considered a bounce, does it change anything if the user then comes back to the site which has remained opened and then starts browsing around?

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Old 12-15-2008, 04:41 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Just the one thing you need to know basically.

It's pretty much garbage.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:45 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Just the one thing you need to know basically.

It's pretty much garbage.
Are you saying that bounce rate doesn't have any effect?
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:51 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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I have read a couple of articles that correlate bounce rate and search engine performance (at least for Google). I'm trying to figure out what exactly is considered a bounce and some other stuff, so I made a list of questions:

1. What is the duration for a single page visit until it is no longer considered a bounce when a visitor leaves?

2. What if a visitor lands on a page, and then visits another page within 5 seconds and then closes the browser. Is that considered a bounce?

3. When external links are opened in a new window (i.e. target_blank, rel="external", onclick=... etc) is it considered a bounce? Is there any difference between using HTML and Javascript to open a new window?

4. If opening external links in a new window is considered a bounce, does it change anything if the user then comes back to the site which has remained opened and then starts browsing around?

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There is no industry-standard minimum or maximum time by which a visitor must leave in order for a bounce to occur. This is actually determined by the session timeout of the analytics tracking software you are currently using. This is basically used to help you make your conversion rate better but has no effect on SEO.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:54 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Are you saying that bounce rate doesn't have any effect?
Yep. ..
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:56 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:14 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Ok. Maybe a better question is whether or not bounce rate will have an effect while using Google Analytics? If you are using Analytics, there is then a way for Google to determine bounce rate.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:24 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Actually, it wouldn't make sense at all if Google were using Analytics data, because it would skew all the results for any other indexed sites that aren't using Analytics.

When I've thought about it, it wouldn't make sense that Google is using bounce rate in relation to search result placement. Even though it seems like it could be an indicator of site quality, there are too many variables that could skew this. And, some sites are designed to quickly take visitors to other sites with relevant information. Take Digg for example. Would Google penalize Digg because everyone is checking out the stories that have been posted and bouncing?

I was a bit concerned after reading some of the articles out there, but I don't think there is anything conclusive yet that demonstrates the correlation.

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Old 12-15-2008, 07:03 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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A "bounce" is when a person leaves "through" the same page they came in through. A visitor who only looks at one page. That's all. It isn't even a bad thing, necessarily. If you search for "Gone With The Wind" and find the movie on Hulu, watch the entire thing, and then leave, that's a bounce. That's also a happy visitor (with bad taste). The only way time could have any effect on bouncing statistics, as Samantha said, is if somebody is on your site for an hour, but only sees two pages - if your stats package times out after 20 mins, that would look like a recurring visitor bouncing twice. Notice, also, that a bounce isn't necessarily a bad thing - imagine an ecommerce site that sells you on the landing page, etc.

Here's the moral of the story, though. You read an article saying Google will punish you for having a lot of bounces. I read an article saying the moon is a propaganda hoax, and isn't really there. Even though both of these articles were posted on the prestigious internet, both are wrong. (That happens a lot.)

Using Analytics doesn't mean this punishment is turned on, although it's theoretically possible that it could be. (Because then Google has enough information to make the call.) It's very much in Google's interest for more web sites to use Analytics - for the simple reason that this lets them collect more usage data. If using their stats package came with an increased risk of being punished, nobody would use it. Nevermind that selective punishments - being able to punish 1 in ever 5 (?) sites (or however many use Google Analytics) don't actually help them improve their search engine. It's possible that bounce rates could usually be a proxy for quality, this isn't always the case, as we've seen, but also, delisting (or pushing down in the SERPs) a slice of the whole because you know more about them, including their bounce rates, leaves you exposed to even higher bounce sites that don't use your stat package.

And then there are the ad blockers, some of which block Analytics code.
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Old 12-15-2008, 07:04 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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It doesn't take much application of common sense to debunk most of the "facts" that are bandied about by experts does it
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You have to admit these people really are experts, though. If you were going to try and sabotage your competitors, actual sabotage is too risky! But if you made up a whole bunch of wild nonsense, and got your competitors so confused that they wasted all their time trying to figure out if your hogwash was true, well, that would be a good sabotage!

Our friend undoIT has the sense not to fall for this - which is shockingly uncommon!
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Old 12-15-2008, 07:17 PM Re: Bounce Rate and SEO
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Thanks for the great forums guys! Lots of good info
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