SEO Tycoon

**gofetch** · 01-21-2009, 08:01 PM

I feel dumb not knowing this....

I like to be completely white hat in my keyword and seo techniques. When adding keywords you hear "don't duplicate keywords so search engines don't flag you or find you suspicious."

So, if I were making keywords in my meta tags for a large dog bed, is it considered repeating to put: "dog, dog bed, large dog bed, large memory foam dog bed" to cover all search phrases?

Or are you supposed to use all those words just once like so to avoid repeating: "dog, bed, large, memory foam."

**chrishirst** · 01-22-2009, 04:52 AM

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I feel dumb not knowing this....

I wouldn't. There is so much crap "advice" around that get repeated ad infinitum, especially by "experts" who's raison d'etre is to gather signature links!

Some bits of genuine advice for SEM/SEO

if it sounds ridiculous or stupid; It probably is.
If it sounds too good to be true: It definitely is.
Don't believe anybody until you have tested it for yourself.

Search engine "experts" all think too small.
Repeat a word or words 1,000 times in the keywords element and it will probably attract attention. 3 or 4 times would be perfectly normal in a phone conversation, a TV/radio advert, a newspaper/magazine advert or a poster, so why would it have to be different in the SE world?

having said that the keywords meta is of no value anyway.

**SiberForum** · 01-22-2009, 06:00 AM

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So, if I were making keywords in my meta tags for a large dog bed, is it considered repeating to put: "dog, dog bed, large dog bed, large memory foam dog bed" to cover all search phrases?

I suppose that is right and good approach for keyword base building.

**anna09** · 01-22-2009, 06:36 AM

Yes you must avoid repeating the keywords. Use long keyword phrases in your meta description. Else search engine will penalize your website.

**chrishirst** · 01-22-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

I wouldn't. There is so much crap "advice" around that get repeated ad infinitum, especially by "experts" who's raison d'etre is to gather signature links!

Oh look, no sooner said than along comes A PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!!!!

**The-Pixel** · 01-22-2009, 08:04 AM

Great thread first off. I strongly agree with the fact you need to try it for yourself. You always hear how you SHOULD do your SEO work. If you do it yourself and can visually see this it will be beneficial for your own knowledge and also for future reference. I think your idea of, "dog, dog bed, large dog bed, large memory foam dog bed" is do-able. Best of luck to you!

**magicvw** · 01-22-2009, 08:35 AM

Quick question:

Well I think Chris is right about meta keywords not worth bothering with anyway, (but I still use them just in case!). But let's say they were valuable, wouldn't it be pointless putting "dog" and "dog bed" since you already have "large memory foam dog bed" which includes those words already?

What about if those words are repeated in the meta description? Is that bad seo from google's point of view? And what about plurals and varitions like theory/theoretical?

**Tanti** · 01-22-2009, 10:56 AM

I think your idea about adding dog, dog bed, large dog bed and etc is reasonable

I think you'll be punished by Google only if you repeat the same keywords like dog, dog, dog a lot of times in a row

**chrishirst** · 01-22-2009, 11:56 AM

Why is that people seem to consider that Google is some entity who
"will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to"
"spam" the meta keywords!!!!

**magicvw** · 01-22-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Why is that people seem to consider that Google is some entity who
"will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to"
"spam" the meta keywords!!!!

Because google is the new god.

**davidmatie** · 01-26-2009, 07:43 PM

All words in meta should be usefull for people. And Google like this.
"dog, dog bed, large dog bed " - not the best way, but you can try it and make your own decisions..

**MofoDog** · 01-26-2009, 09:29 PM

Shouldnt there be or isnt there a guide on googles pages somewhere for this?
So that web designers know these things?

It seems to me a good question and one I and probably many others have contemplated before. I have come across this thought many times.

I think its if you include too many of the same words within the quotes.
such as "dog, dog bed, large dog bed" wouldnt be advised but
"dog" "dog bed" "large dog bed" is seen as completly different to spiders.

just my thoughts.
would be good if someone could find out the exact rules for this.....

**chrishirst** · 01-27-2009, 03:41 AM

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would be good if someone could find out the exact rules for this.....

There are none

Google doesn't use the meta keywords, so whatever you do will have zero effect there.

**MofoDog** · 01-27-2009, 05:05 PM

huh im confused you say google doesnt use the meta keywords
i thought that it did doesnt it?
its a search engine and indexes sites and/or searches for them in websites to return those results to the searcher right?

there must be some sort of rules of guidelines posted on this subject if not by google then at least another SE.

What about when they were creating the rules for the spiders and bots?
They are programed to look for certain things.
So it stands to reason google must have some sort of chart for website designers / coders to follow. surely.

**chrishirst** · 01-27-2009, 07:18 PM

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huh im confused you say google doesnt use the meta keywords
i thought that it did doesnt it?
its a search engine and indexes sites and/or searches for them in websites to return those results to the searcher right?

Nope. The meta keywords were abused so much and so long ago they are now pretty much ignored.
Test it for yourself, put a made up word in the meta KW element, wait until the page has been crawled, see if you can find it in a search.

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there must be some sort of rules of guidelines posted on this subject if not by google then at least another SE.

Nope.

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What about when they were creating the rules for the spiders and bots?
They are programed to look for certain things.

Certainly the indexing and ranking agents are, that's what is called the "algo", well over 100 factors or signals as they are termed by the SE engineers make up the algo, and all of them a closely guarded secret.

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So it stands to reason google must have some sort of chart for website designers / coders to follow. surely.

Nope. Why would they?
If you had every SE hacker trying to find the magic key, would YOU give them a road map?

**MofoDog** · 01-27-2009, 09:08 PM

thanks aha so basically you don't neccasarily get penalized or flagged as suspicious whatever for over using keywords. However it could be good practice not do so.

**chrishirst** · 01-28-2009, 06:56 AM

That's about it.

**francis84** · 01-29-2009, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gofetch

So, if I were making keywords in my meta tags for a large dog bed, is it considered repeating to put: "dog, dog bed, large dog bed, large memory foam dog bed" to cover all search phrases?

If your main KW is large dog bed, I suggest the following KP:

dog beds, dog bed, dog-beds, dog-bed, large dog beds, large dog bed, large-dog-bed, cheap dog beds

**bluemundy** · 01:32 PM

HI, so if keywords are optional in meta tags( use them if you want or not) What about HI and H2 ? I guess having good content with your keywords in it is still a good way to go too? Would you say good quality back links (high ranking) are more important?

Kinda new to SEO.

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**john.lewis** · 02-05-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gofetch

I feel dumb not knowing this....

I like to be completely white hat in my keyword and seo techniques. When adding keywords you hear "don't duplicate keywords so search engines don't flag you or find you suspicious."

So, if I were making keywords in my meta tags for a large dog bed, is it considered repeating to put: "dog, dog bed, large dog bed, large memory foam dog bed" to cover all search phrases?

Or are you supposed to use all those words just once like so to avoid repeating: "dog, bed, large, memory foam."

i dont think so . Google Taking each keyword differently, and you are using Dog word with combination of other word which is creating a unique keyword for Google.