SEO Tycoon

**kenang82** · 03-03-2009, 08:20 AM

Do you believe in SEO? If yes, which SEO company to choose? There are so many "SEO" companies out there. Are they really useful?

(not intending to offend SEO companies)

**chrishirst** · 03-03-2009, 09:11 AM

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(not intending to offend SEO companies)

I'll offend them instead!

Many of the "SEO companies" are no nothing numpties, who have half understood about half of what they have read. And what they have read are "articles" by equally clueless "experts".

**seo_man** · 03-03-2009, 11:01 AM

Look for a company that can show you good example of past SEO Work, including results of top ranking keywords.

**Feydakin** · 03-03-2009, 03:27 PM

Except, of course, top ranking keywords are worthless if they are the wrong words..

**Jeremy80** · 03-03-2009, 05:39 PM

One technique to help pick an seo company is to check that company's own website rankings. If they rank well for any competitive seo terms, they likely know what they are doing.

Unfortunately there are a lot of junk/spam seo companies out there. Those companies make bogus claims and use low wage employees to do the actual work.

You would probably get a better deal by hiring a single seo instead of an seo company. That single seo would give your website much more attention. Ideally that would be an in-house employee, but a contract seo would work too.

**seo_man** · 03-03-2009, 05:50 PM

Good point Jeremy!

For Example, if you Google

- SEO Expert -

My Name: Brett Topovski - is Top 35, with not much effort at all.

I have many websites with relative keywords that are first place and top 10/top 20.

If you would like to see examples of keywords that I have a targeted and optimized for selected websites, feel free to ask.

**chrishirst** · 03-03-2009, 06:17 PM

5 Reasons Why Rankings Are A Poor Measure Of Success
http://searchengineland.com/080131-071244.php

**VirtuosiMedia** · 03-03-2009, 07:18 PM

If you do go with an SEO company, choose a company that is serious about testing results and improving over time. They (and you) should care about conversion more than search engine rankings. Also, if they won't tell you their methods, don't use them. If they submit to over 3 search engines, don't use them. Ditto with directories. If they are excited about PageRank, don't use them. If they guarantee placement, don't use them. If their "social media strategy" is spamming forums and social media sites, don't use them.

There are very few I would recommend, but if you take a look around sphinn.com, you can probably see which ones actually know what they're talking about by paying attention to the comments.

**tehfincheh** · 03-03-2009, 08:50 PM

I believe in SEO but I think a good developer should develop with SEO in mind from the start, rather than patch together some half arse website and then outsource the Google baiting to China.

If this is just about link building then, you know, I'd rather build an automated script than pay somebody else to donkey crawl Digg for me.

**full house** · 03-03-2009, 09:34 PM

I rely SEO on myself, I can implement whatever I want to do.

**BigBathroom** · 03-04-2009, 06:48 PM

I have been looking at SEO companies recently but feel as though I'm the only potential client that has related their proposed fees back to CPC or cost/conversion (based on current organic conversion rates and their estimates of traffic increases). I'm sure that I can't be the only one looking at things this way? I'm coming to the conclusion that SEO may be best handled 'in-house' which is how I ended up on this forum!

**yomimedia** · 03-08-2009, 05:40 AM

A single SEO person will do but if you're not that busy, you can do it yourself to have a so called "personal touch" on the job.

**andr112** · 03-09-2009, 07:39 AM

I believe in SEO too. But I think you will make SEO yourself or with help of any friend-freelancer.

**marketingman100** · 03-11-2009, 11:34 PM

SEO is only half of the game. I recently responded to an ad someone place on here for a SEO expert. After examining the site, I suggested revising the site and doing what is possible to get the SEO up. Now I'm doing both for the client.

A lot of factors affect how well a web site is doing.
1. Design
2. Content
3. Off internet marketing of the company and the site.
4. SEO

I've been in this business for a long time. Most sites get bad results for more than one reason.

Also, remember this, we all know the same SEO tricks. Do you think that makes SEO really effective as a omnipresent tool? I think not.

**katev** · 03-12-2009, 12:54 PM

I think it is necessary to join a company with good years of experience in SEO, verify the results in with other clients, it is possible to do it by yourself but the process in terms of getting results are longer.

**megan isla** · 03-13-2009, 04:07 PM

Ask the SEO company for at least 5 - 10 clients that you are allowed to review as case studies, and call to see what they think of the service of the company that you are thinking about joining. If the SEO company in question is unable to offer you any client studies or just one or to client studies then I would question why this is as if they are any good they should have at least 5 - 10 clients who are happy with their services and are more than happy to help them out as they have been help out.

**talkseo09** · 03-17-2009, 02:34 AM

You may check the SEO's website itself if it has good ranking, theirs should at least be of good standing before they can apply it to their clients. They should first be the model of everything with regards to SEO works!

**chrishirst** · 03-17-2009, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by talkseo09

You may check the SEO's website itself if it has good ranking, theirs should at least be of good standing before they can apply it to their clients. They should first be the model of everything with regards to SEO works!

And the "magic phrase" you would use as a yardstick would be?

**JimWilfred** · 03-17-2009, 05:49 AM

Hello forum member.I am also looking for this question.Thanks for sharing.

**edgray** · 09-24-2009, 12:13 PM

SEO and website promotion is best done by a dilligent and caring webmaster. SEO companies just build flimsy links and cost a fortune. I wouldn't trust them with anyone's site, let alone any of my own.