SEO Tycoon

**rolda hayes** · 04:02 PM

For the last few months, I've been on the verge of leaving this forum -
Not because I don't get any help when I need it (which is most days!) but because I'm fed up with all the theories and techniques that members keep spouting on about that will "guarantee" top listings!

So here it is... Prove to me once and for all that you know what you are doing!

Post a link to your best SERP Page i.e. this example here as well as letting us know what "technique" you have used to achieve it.

Happy posting!

**jamestl2** · 01-05-2010, 05:40 PM

I admit that I've grown somewhat sick of all the people that post ridiculous SEO theories as well, in addition to all those "Experts" that post their "Submit to tons of Directories" and "Write quality articles and post them elsewhere" junk posts (like in this thread for example).

It's like they don't even bother READING the posts anymore. They just see the thread title and figure that they'll post a generic response (probably to get a "signature backlink" no less) that is usually of no help to the OP nor anyone else reading the thread.

It's probably why I don't post as much as I used to...

Oh, and the best "theory" I can give is to create a great page that is actually useful for people (and stop worrying about where their pages might position one day and then fluctuate the next, so an SERP is unnecessary

).

**DedicatedDog** · 01-06-2010, 12:56 AM

I really want to give a good answer here, but SEO is more complicated than doing just one thing. SEO takes doing research and then creating a system that works around the research. Two examples that I can give is with organizeit-online.com (which I optimized for "(fill in the blank) storage solutions" - for example shoe storage solutions) and organizeworld.com (which I optimized for (fill in the blank) organizers - for example home organizers.

Basically the approach I took was to research the long tails of keywords I wanted to use. Then I researched what other ranking sites were using to link to them. I want to have their links plus more.

I don't normally work forums and blogs, but I will use articles, bookmarking, and link requests.

Of course, there is a lot more to it, but I guess this is a short rambling explaination.

**colbyt** · 01-06-2010, 09:00 PM

I think maybe I can summarize this entire thread. If you really knew how to get #1 for any keyword at all the SE would you really share that information?

Or would you exploit the heck of of it?

How many times have you seen someone with SEO Guru in their sig link asking the most basic questions?

Thank you anyway, I will keep my hard earned dollars.

**edgray** · 01-07-2010, 06:28 AM

An interesting idea!

One of the projects I'm working on is a blog that spreads the truth about a company I used to work for that did a runner owing millions only to setup anew in Thailand. The only work I really do for this is have a link in my forum signatures.

The SERP is here.

The term on this page is "Modern Zen", the name of the new company.

Whilst I'm using this mostly as an SEO playground of sorts, here's what I've found:

Originally our blog was just targetting the term "Diseño Earle" (the old company name) so we didn't have the term Modern Zen in our URL. Modern Zen was added to H1 and throughout the blog. This made us jump up to page 2 for that search term.

Adding backlinks with the anchor text "modern zen" brought us up to the front page. These were added to forum signatures (around 1,500) and that took us right up to middle of page 1. All of the links were dropped on the same day, and we received no penalty for adding so many links.

So, from this we can see that anchor text has a massive influence over what you rank for. It seems that the anchor text should ideally be the exact search term you're chasing.

As mentioned so many times, Keyword Density doesn't mean a thing - keyword density for this blog changes all the time and our SERPs remain totally unaffected by this.

What's really interesting about the whole thing is that we're still ranking for all of the original keywords we were targetting: "Diseño Earle", "Michael Earle" etc etc.

We would obviously love to be at number 1 though. The company we're targetting holds the nhumber one position. They not only have the search term as their domain name, but they also have a link from the original Diseño Earle site which I'd designed, SEOed and promoted. Tons of PR4 pages on that site. So they're reaping some of the rewards of all of my previous and unpaid for hard-work.

Also, I've given Angela's packets a go with this site. And seen no change. What a surprise! All of the inbound links here, aside from Angela's Packets and a couple of links from some design communities like the Behance Network, are simply forum signatures.

We've just received a bundle of court documents that document how much these guys owe and the other crimes they've committed. I'm going to draft a PR and get this out to architecture communities everywhere. This will be the first bit of promotion I've done for the site - I'll post the results soon!

**watchitmister** · 01-07-2010, 03:57 PM

I agree with Ed. I believe the singlemost important factor in SEO is the anchor text from backlinks.

**xela1966** · 01-07-2010, 05:14 PM

I been reading some posts on this forum about this subject and all at the end we get the same point, good content and backlinks.
More then this is each webmasters secret, and nobody will tell what they are doing.
In the forum here we get some valuable ideas and backlinks that helps a bit not much.

**jabo** · 01-07-2010, 10:07 PM

the thing with forums like this is that not all people are in it to be helpful or to interact, most of them are only posting to be able to leave a link for their websites through the signatures... well, I'd say that even though how an SEO proves his techniques, it is still up to you to really make it work and worth. there are techniques that doesn't work for others. if a person says that social bookmarking is good and you have done it yet spam it then results are probably not going to work out.

**jef** · 01-07-2010, 10:09 PM

I think do seo need much more time and not instant...
You must make a good quality of your'e backlink and do promotion better...It will people used internet can know your'e site and easy to find website...

Thanks...

**FenceGuy** · 01-09-2010, 12:15 AM

I honestly think that backlinks are NOT the end all of SEO, as a matter of fact, backlinks have nothing to do with SEO. I believe SEO has become clouded over the years and factors that don't have anything to do with SEO have been placed there because people don't really know what SEO really is.

I would place more weight on title tags and .... wait..... linking out! Yes I recently tested a site that I only had a handful (and I mean you could count them on one hand) of back links, and I linked out to hundreds of higher PR sites, and I achieved a PR 4 with that site (still testing and hope to hit PR 5 or 6 on next update. And the traffic from SE's is consistently improving.

Anyway, I get sick of the "get backlink" SEO experts, they are WRONG!

**watchitmister** · 01-09-2010, 03:33 PM

What about "Click Here" and "Sausage"?

**rolda hayes** · 01-11-2010, 08:05 AM

Well this has proved what I started out to achieve...

Because not ONE member has posted a link to Google with their serps?

Why? Because they have NOTHING to actually show off!

**FenceGuy** · 01-11-2010, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolda hayes

Well this has proved what I started out to achieve...

Because not ONE member has posted a link to Google with their serps?

Why? Because they have NOTHING to actually show off!

Did you not see Ed Grays link above?

**rolda hayes** · 01-11-2010, 08:11 AM

Yes but by ONE I was being sarcastic

End isn't one of the usual "More Backlink" Suspects...

**asanka000** · 01-11-2010, 10:44 AM

ya anchor text of backlink is really important. if you use a good keyword to anchor always, you may get really good result for that anchor

**freight guy** · 01-11-2010, 10:59 PM

backlinks and submitting articles are the only way to go!!

**edgray** · 01-12-2010, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenceGuy

I honestly think that backlinks are NOT the end all of SEO, as a matter of fact, backlinks have nothing to do with SEO. I believe SEO has become clouded over the years and factors that don't have anything to do with SEO have been placed there because people don't really know what SEO really is.

I would place more weight on title tags and .... wait..... linking out! Yes I recently tested a site that I only had a handful (and I mean you could count them on one hand) of back links, and I linked out to hundreds of higher PR sites, and I achieved a PR 4 with that site (still testing and hope to hit PR 5 or 6 on next update. And the traffic from SE's is consistently improving.

Anyway, I get sick of the "get backlink" SEO experts, they are WRONG!

That's a pretty radical view!

I do have to disagree though, I've watched my sites climb up the rankings thanks to backlinks and their anchor text. And you can see websites rank for certain keywords based solely on the anchor text of their inbound links. Head to google and search for "click here" - the adobe page that ranks number one doesn't even mention the word on the page, but you can bet it has a ton of backlinks with the anchor text "click here"

It's the very basis of Google's concept - each inbound link is considered a "vote" for the destination page - the more votes you have, the more important Google considers your page, the better you rank.

You're right though - backlink building isn't anything to do with SEO. SEO is the process of getting SEs to understand your content - placing your keywords within the right tags and so forth.

**FenceGuy** · 01-14-2010, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgray

That's a pretty radical view!

I do have to disagree though, I've watched my sites climb up the rankings thanks to backlinks and their anchor text. And you can see websites rank for certain keywords based solely on the anchor text of their inbound links. Head to google and search for "click here" - the adobe page that ranks number one doesn't even mention the word on the page, but you can bet it has a ton of backlinks with the anchor text "click here"

It's the very basis of Google's concept - each inbound link is considered a "vote" for the destination page - the more votes you have, the more important Google considers your page, the better you rank.

You're right though - backlink building isn't anything to do with SEO. SEO is the process of getting SEs to understand your content - placing your keywords within the right tags and so forth.

I agree with you on the anchor text, I just think things are changing with SE's and there is more than one factor, (200+) but my main point was that people get too worried about PR and SERP's and forget about the user. Do what benefits the user, and you probably can't lose.

**edgray** · 01-15-2010, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenceGuy

I agree with you on the anchor text, I just think things are changing with SE's and there is more than one factor, (200+) but my main point was that people get too worried about PR and SERP's and forget about the user. Do what benefits the user, and you probably can't lose.

I agree that people care way too much about PR. I don't even check the PR of my sites these days. You're right too that people should focus more on the end user.

As an update, the blog I talked about above has just climbed up to 3rd position in the SERPs. Obviously I'm chuffed with this, though I shalln't be resting until we're in the top slot!

Nothing really changed to the tactics on the site, just more forum posts and a few blog comments. I'll keep everyone posted on how the Press Release changes things!

**vangogh** · 01-15-2010, 06:23 PM

Here's an odd phrase where pages on my site rank #2 and #3. Kind of a useless phrase for me, but I did consciously get one of those pages to rank.

The result sitting at #3 just happened to rank for the phrase on its own. It's hardly a competitive phrase and all I apparently did to have that page rank was use the words (or in some cases a word near the word) and it ranked. I noticed it one day looking at my site stats.

Because it made no sense for a page on my site to rank for the phrase I thought it would be fun to list some of the other odd phrases that sent traffic to one of my pages. For the fun of it I thought I would use the exact phrase "King creme of baits" as the page title. That alone was likely enough to rank the new page and rank it ahead of the one accidentally ranking.

I also used the phrase as part of the url and naturally used the phrase on the page. However I would think the page title alone would be enough for this non-competitive phrase. The new page links back to the old page a few times with the exact phrase as anchor text for the link. So the page sitting at #3 now has exact match anchor text links pointing to it, yet still ranks below the page with the exact match in the page title.

Again pretty useless phrase for my site (king of baits is a fishing lure by the Creme company), so how could I make use of it. Since my site has enough something to rank for that phrase easily I could look to create new content around more generic phrases. For example assuming 'creme king' was a useful phrase I could create a product with creme king in the name and likely rank for the phrase. Maybe not #1, but somewhere within the first 30 results, which I could then actively drive links to.

Overall the basic idea above is find something you do rank for and look for similar phrases that you can also rank for. Begin creating new content around those new similar phrases and maybe even group all the new content under one section named after the more generic phrase at the root of all the longer phrases.

Target a series of long tail keyphrases all based around a central key word phrase. The longer tail phrases should be easy to rank through page titles and other on page content and then use those pages to link back toward a page focused on the more generic phrase.

By the way expect this thread to start ranking well for the phrase "creme king of baits"