SEO Tycoon

**noahwebseo** · 02-09-2010, 12:55 PM

I am looking for information about on site search engine optimization.

I do not want you to tell me post on blogs, forum signatures, or "dofollow" comments, yada yada

For starters we have constantly updated content. I'm going to go with that as number one. Not debatable.

What is next?

Title Tags?
Meta Tags?
Meta Description?
Keyword Density?
Alt Image Tags?
Inbound Links (NOT backlinks!)
etc. etc

Tell me how you have best optimized your webpage to improve your SERP rankings and how you have checked these items against your competitors

**chrishirst** · 02-09-2010, 02:08 PM

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Inbound Links (NOT backlinks!)

same thing.

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For starters we have constantly updated content. I'm going to go with that as number one.

It won't metter how often you "update" the search engines won't "care"

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Title Tags?

Yes

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Meta Tags?

No

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Meta Description?

No

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Keyword Density?

No

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Alt Image Tags?

No such thing.

**VirtuosiMedia** · 02-09-2010, 02:12 PM

I would write a big long reply to this, but I've already written it all out on my site. Take a look at the SEO article in my signature.

**aron111** · 02-10-2010, 08:04 AM

Build the links lol... No better ways to see results, and do add some valid content.

**chrishirst** · 02-10-2010, 02:27 PM

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Build the links

How is that "On Site" work??

**edgray** · 02-10-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

No

No to Meta Desctription? A controversial answer. I'm not 100% on this one either way, but I would have thought there's definitely plenty of value in writing a good description, one with an instance of your keywords/phrases in, nicely written (human friendly) and a bit punchy because if Google doesn't use it as a ranking factor, when it's used to appear in the SERPs it's certainly got marketing value.

**chrishirst** · 02-10-2010, 06:20 PM

Yep, great for marketing and improving clickthroughs.

But for optimising the site/pages it has no value at all. Once the visitor is on the page they are not going to see it.

**edgray** · 02-10-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Yep, great for marketing and improving clickthroughs.

But for optimising the site/pages it has no value at all. Once the visitor is on the page they are not going to see it.

So would you say the same for all content that is essentially hidden from most surfers view? Like the ALT attributes for example?

**chrishirst** · 02-10-2010, 06:43 PM

Not totally because some users DO see the alt attributes. Now in another controversial statement anchor and image title attribute would be site/page optimising because users DO see them as a tooltip to give them a little more information about the link or the image.
Now search engines do not even read the title attributes but it's certainly another way to get the users attention.

**VirtuosiMedia** · 07:41 PM

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Yep, great for marketing and improving clickthroughs.

But for optimising the site/pages it has no value at all. Once the visitor is on the page they are not going to see it.

It's just semantics, but I might argue that in this instance, a meta description is part of SEO. It's not just the position in the rankings you're trying to optimize. The position is just one factor that can bring a visitor to your site from a search engine. For instance, you could rank #1 for "prescription drugs", but if your description beneath it is "Visit us and automatically download a free computer virus that will wipe out your hard drive.", I'd be willing to bet that you might not be seeing quite as many visitors as you might otherwise. Your SEO efforts would have succeeded in terms of position but failed in terms of engagement.

**kinse01** · 02-11-2010, 12:25 AM

When I start using SEO my first strategy that I used is social bookmarking because it is really easy to apply in any site even an old or not.

**edgray** · 02-11-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Not totally because some users DO see the alt attributes. Now in another controversial statement anchor and image title attribute would be site/page optimising because users DO see them as a tooltip to give them a little more information about the link or the image.
Now search engines do not even read the title attributes but it's certainly another way to get the users attention.

Agreed.

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It's just semantics, but I might argue that in this instance, a meta description is part of SEO. It's not just the position in the rankings you're trying to optimize. The position is just one factor that can bring a visitor to your site from a search engine. For instance, you could rank #1 for "prescription drugs", but if your description beneath it is "Visit us and automatically download a free computer virus that will wipe out your hard drive.", I'd be willing to bet that you might not be seeing quite as many visitors as you might otherwise. Your SEO efforts would have succeeded in terms of position but failed in terms of engagement.

In that sense, and this is my view on it, that it's worth using ALL possible methods that the end user will benefit from - as Chris pointed out, that would include things like ALT attributes and even image TITLEs as well as a nicely written META Description.

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When I start using SEO my first strategy that I used is social bookmarking because it is really easy to apply in any site even an old or not.

There are just so many things wrong with what your "contribution" I'm not even going to bother with it.

**chrishirst** · 02-11-2010, 05:28 AM

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It's just semantics, but I might argue that in this instance, a meta description is part of SEO. It's not just the position in the rankings you're trying to optimize.

Sure. However, for positioning you are actually trying to promote your page through the ranks and unless you succeed in promoting your page, the meta description will not have any effect on anything.

**bigcat1967** · 02-11-2010, 03:10 PM

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No to Meta Desctription? A controversial answer. I'm not 100% on this one either way, but I would have thought there's definitely plenty of value in writing a good description, one with an instance of your keywords/phrases in, nicely written (human friendly) and a bit punchy because if Google doesn't use it as a ranking factor, when it's used to appear in the SERPs it's certainly got marketing value.

Well said. I use the meta descrition all the time for a marketing value - not SEO purposes. It's basically an advertisement of showing the searcher that yes - I do have what you are looking for.

**Marc Michalen** · 02-15-2010, 04:06 AM

Well, it is good if you check all these factors against your competitors. Because it is always good to know the strategy of your competitor so that you can prepare your own strategy to beat them.

**chrishirst** · 02-15-2010, 04:11 AM

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Well, it is good if you check all these factors against your competitors. Because it is always good to know the strategy of your competitor so that you can prepare your own strategy to beat them.

And if your "competition" are equally clueless and think it is you that knows best????

**FenceGuy** · 02-15-2010, 11:47 AM

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And if your "competition" are equally clueless and think it is you that knows best????

I actually count on my competition being more clueless than me!

Here is my big contribution, put content out that people need/want, write your content so that people can read it (not for bots), and try linking OUT to authority sites on the topic (don't make your site a dead end).

There is about a million other things you can do, and a few you "should" do, which were mentioned above, but I prefer to concentrate on content first, then follow with the other stuff. But hey, I am no "guru", that is just what works for me.

**Robertpatrick** · 02-24-2010, 06:33 AM

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I actually count on my competition being more clueless than me!

Here is my big contribution, put content out that people need/want, write your content so that people can read it (not for bots), and try linking OUT to authority sites on the topic (don't make your site a dead end).

There is about a million other things you can do, and a few you "should" do, which were mentioned above, but I prefer to concentrate on content first, then follow with the other stuff. But hey, I am no "guru", that is just what works for me.

I do agree with you. I think Content is what we have to concentrate more since if you give users what they are looking out then definitely they may visit your site/blog and will also try to know more about the topic being discussed.

**addie** · 02-26-2010, 01:36 AM

First, Content should be unique and userfriendly
Keyword Research
Meta Tag Generation
H1/H2
Navigation link structure
coding structure
header/footer
Html validation
sitemap
robots.txt and webmaster tool

**Sabrina178** · 08-03-2010, 05:45 AM

the seo principle is very simple

Content is King. Technique is Queen.