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Old 04-11-2010, 02:55 AM SEO Experts
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I just read this post, and thought I'd share. I have to admit I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Sorry folks

"SEO Expert"
If you haven't heard of it (lucky you), SEO is the process in which you try and get a website to appear higher up in the search engines. In many cases this seems to involve posting really bad English and uninteresting articles on blogs in order to cheat Google's algorithm and then frowning at anyone smarter who uses "black hat" techniques to 'cheat'.

Generally the difference between black hat techniques and normal SEO is that black hat techniques require some logic, programming skills and understanding of how search engines are built, and normal SEO just requires reading blogs for tips and hearsay, then spamming any sites with at the very most, your basic html skills (Which, for some reason, they don't see as cheating because anyone can do it).

The thing is, I've read books on SEO and there really is **** all to it - they end up writing about 1/3 of the book about how to submit a site to search engines and then fail to mention important things like the fact that Google personalise search results so that most people see different results anyway.

Besides that, everything to SEO is common sense to someone who knows how to build websites. Just think how you'd build a search engine and work backwards. Google's Page Rank algorithm is even available on line for someone with decent technical knowledge.

And that's where my bugbear lies. Most people who describe themselves as "SEO Experts" almost never have any technical knowledge. They generally have never built a website in their life and generally have no technical skills. They are salesmen and marketers. Often just salesmen.

(Google's Page Rank algorithm is available on-line, so if you want a laugh - send a copy to your "SEO expert" and ask them to talk you through it scientifically without using their awful babied-down understanding of it with sick-inducing phrases such as "link juice")

"Expert" is nothing but a vanity title. SEO is such a small area of building a website. It's like saying to someone with a linguistics doctorate that I'm an alphabet expert because I know it all from A to Z.

Likewise, the term "Social Media Expert" is exactly the same. It doesn't mean you know how to build a site like Twitter, it means you have a Twitter account that you use to post tedious spam to the world and some of your tedious "Social Media Experts" friends follow you.

These people call themselves "experts", generally not because they are experts, but because they are self-lauding c***s who have awarded themselves that title. It's also to make it sound like their job is difficult, when it isn't.

Interesting that most people with actual practical skills never do feel the need to use words like "expert" in their job description.


Source: http://www.b3ta.com/questions/buzzwords/

I'd also like to see how many people comment on this thread with their own daft SEO ideas, rather than something related to the above.
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Old 04-12-2010, 06:37 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Can you give me some effective and useful methods that I can apply immediately? I think these things are too basic to learn.
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Old 04-12-2010, 06:46 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:20 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Still waiting for the experts to add their comments...
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:21 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Still waiting for the experts to add their comments...
There are no "Experts"
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:45 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Personally, I have experienced that forum posting is one f the best tool for SEO. However there are many other options like Blog commenting, Article submission, Social Media, Directory Submission, Video/Picture Marketing but i found forum posting is best.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:58 PM Re: SEO Experts
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But the man from "SEO Optimisings Company" said he was an expert
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:19 PM Re: SEO Experts
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I'd also like to see how many people comment on this thread with their own daft SEO ideas, rather than something related to the above.
What's there to comment about? I think we'd all agree there are plenty of people who call themselves SEO experts without much understanding of what seo means. But the author of the post you quoted doesn't understand seo much either.

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normal SEO just requires reading blogs for tips and hearsay, then spamming any sites with at the very most, your basic html skills
Umm…no. That just shows the author's ignorance about what seo is. We get it. The author doesn't like seo, but the author clearly has no understanding of what seo is either.

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everything to SEO is common sense to someone who knows how to build websites.
Not even approaching being true. Web design/development and SEO are two different things. In many places they happen to overlap, but to think that someone who does one automatically knows how to do the other is nonsense.

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They (SEOs) are salesmen and marketers
which makes perfect sense since SEO is just a subset of marketing. Yes there are sometimes technical skills needed, but at its core SEO is marketing.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:24 AM Re: SEO Experts
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I think these things are too basic to learn too.
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Old 04-14-2010, 11:13 PM Re: SEO Experts
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Link building are still good in creating backlinks and generating traffic. But I guess there are another advantage of SEO in promoting websites and that what I looking for.
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Old 04-15-2010, 12:37 AM Re: SEO Experts
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SMO is best techniques to get huge traffic from relevant area.
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Old 04-15-2010, 01:47 AM Re: SEO Experts
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seo experts means that person of seo who knows that how he/she optimize the sites by his techniques
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Old 04-15-2010, 02:54 AM Re: SEO Experts
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It's just the basic and jonor theory. I believe you can read more from other seo sites. better you can post some practical tips on how to make the site imporved. thanks so much
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:22 AM Re: SEO Experts
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SMO is good to get visitors ton your site, any comments by experts ?
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:29 AM Re: SEO Experts
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Actually, I think the same complaint should be applied to real estate investment experts, etc., etc... I don't think SEO's have a monopoly on egoism as useful sales tool.

Who you should be upset at is the people that fall for simple sales pitches like that.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:27 PM Re: SEO Experts
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Actually, I think the same complaint should be applied to real estate investment experts, etc., etc... I don't think SEO's have a monopoly on egoism as useful sales tool.
Jason I agree 100% SEOs have a bad reputation in many circles and some ways it's a well deserved reputation, but for the most part I think they exhibit the same characteristics that other industries have. Some people are honest, some not so honest…

I think one of the problems SEOs have isn't completely their fault. It's people who have completely unrealistic expectations for what seo is and what an SEO can do. You wouldn't expect to have a professional tv commercial done for $100, yet people seem to think someone can take your site and for $100 start bringing in millions of visitors through search engines.
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Old 04-17-2010, 08:57 AM Re: SEO Experts
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"Expert" lies in the eyes of the beholder. And since I look through my own eyes, I become an expert in everything I do!

Seriously though, you don't need to be an expert to perform "basic" SEO, you just need to have common sense.

My suggestion to most is to throw out everything you have heard about SEO, and begin producing content that actual people that use the search engines will find useful when they click through to your site after finding it on a search engine.

Master that, and then work on other aspects. Of course, that is just my "expert" opinion....
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