SEO Tycoon

**detailer** · 04-28-2010, 07:19 AM

Hello,

What you guys think how SEO work should be get start for newly designed website?

SEO work should be get started with the following steps and techniques:

Keyword Analysis using keyword analysis tools
Site Map creation and submission to the Major search engines
Adding Google Analytics to your site
Submission to Open Source Directory (Dmoz) and other major directories
Social Bookmarking (Digg, Stumpleupon, delicious etc)
Social Networking (facebook, twitter, myspace etc)
Comment, comment and comment on your site related blogs with your site link
Posting on related forums and communities having signature of your site link
Creating Backlinks on High Page Rank sites

I just have mentioned SEO techniques how SEO and increasing your page rank works, so do you think there should also do some extra work which i didn't mentioned?

If you have more suggestions and techniques then please share and add your suggestions.

Thanks..........Looking back for your comments

**chrishirst** · 04-28-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by detailer

Hello,

What you guys think how SEO work should be get start for newly designed website?

SEO work should be get started with the following steps and techniques:

Keyword Analysis using keyword analysis tools

Site Map creation and submission to the Major search engines

Adding Google Analytics to your site

Submission to Open Source Directory (Dmoz) and other major directories

Social Bookmarking (Digg, Stumpleupon, delicious etc)

Social Networking (facebook, twitter, myspace etc)

Comment, comment and comment on your site related blogs with your site link

Posting on related forums and communities having signature of your site link

~~Creating Backlinks on High Page Rank sites~~

I just have mentioned SEO techniques how SEO and increasing your page rank works, so do you think there should also do some extra work which i didn't mentioned?

If you have more suggestions and techniques then please share and add your suggestions.

Thanks..........Looking back for your comments

So are you going to mention any REAL SEO work or are you just looking for junk marketing ideas????

There is only ONE item on your "list" that relates to SEO

**detailer** · 07:47 AM

I mean techniques for increasing page rank.

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are you just looking for junk marketing ideas????

What does relate with Junk marketing idea? CAn you please explain?

**chrishirst** · 04-28-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by detailer

I mean techniques for increasing page rank.

What does relate with Junk marketing idea? CAn you please explain?

everything that I crossed out when I quoted your post.

**Sierra Charlie** · 04-28-2010, 08:15 AM

If you are going to 'walk the talk' as they say, I think you'd need lot more than this to make a good impression. I mean come on when did Google Analytics became a part of SEO?

I side with Chris here. What you have put here is what run on the mill SEO's preach over and over again. There are lots of things that matter than this. If you are really keen head over to sites like Search Engine Land, SEOMOZ, etc and get your basics right.

**detailer** · 04-28-2010, 08:22 AM

Thanks for correction if i was wrong. Then can you please write down the seo techniques and where should we get start for seo and where to end seo?

**bigcat1967** · 04-28-2010, 01:10 PM

You should be concentrating more on on-page optimization. This obsession that everyone has about backlinking has really gone to far. I've seen some sites in very tough niches with only a couple backlinks to them - and those backlinks didn't get them to the first page.

and what does GA have anything to do with SEO? It's just a tool that tells you about your traffic.

**bluewooder** · 04-28-2010, 11:44 PM

if a sign at some high PR's blog.can i get how much PR vlaue?

**krishananda** · 04-29-2010, 02:15 AM

Let me get this right, OP is basically talked about:

Point 1:
Get the most profitable keywords for your site and optimize on them

Point 2:
Create a sitemap so it makes easier for spider bots to crawl on you site's structure

Point 3:
Set google analytics to analyze your site's traffic, this is still relevant to SEO IMHO
analyze which pages are mostly visited,
which keywords and sources bring more traffic then optimize on them,
analyze the bounce rate,
etc

Point 4-9:
Build backlinks

Link building is still one of the techniques in SEO right?

Quote:

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/what-make...m-so-****-hard

http://www.seobook.com/archives/001792.shtml

**TemplateQueen** · 04-29-2010, 12:19 PM

Of course link building is part of SEO, and some of his points do cover link building and are therefore relevant to SEO. For example, getting into the DMOZ directory is good for your site as it adds to the trust factor - why else would a DMOZ button be on the famous seobook toolbar?

Even though the 'strategy' is totally wrong, theres no need to mock the guy!

**fattaah** · 04-30-2010, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bigcat1967

You should be concentrating more on on-page optimization. This obsession that everyone has about backlinking has really gone to far.

yes and i think the most important step in on page are-

content
anchor text
and title tag

**Sierra Charlie** · 04-30-2010, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TemplateQueen

Of course link building is part of SEO, and some of his points do cover link building and are therefore relevant to SEO. For example, getting into the DMOZ directory is good for your site as it adds to the trust factor - why else would a DMOZ button be on the famous seobook toolbar?

Even though the 'strategy' is totally wrong, theres no need to mock the guy!

DMOZ - Can't agree more on the DMOZ thingy about building reputation. But I guess you haven't done a DMOZ submission lately. I'm not satisfied with the way they edit it. At times some of the sites I submitted took ages to approve and in some cases like a couple of my current sites, waiting to get at least a reply for about 6 months.

'Strategy' - Well SEO is not an exact science and it keeps on evolving day by day. There's more to SEO than meets the eye. When someone comes up with one of these 'Definitive Guide' lists, they mislead people: Especially those who are new to SEO. It's one thing leading people to resources. Completely other when proclaiming what you know to be the truth.

**C0ldf1re** · 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

So are you going to mention any REAL SEO work or are you just looking for junk marketing ideas????

Wow! chrishirst does not suffer fools gladly!

That makes me rather nervous, because I am a n00b at SEO, and I am going to ask for some help. The help I need is for someone to point me to the right threads, articles and resources to learn the bits of SEO that I need.

I can't just "read the forum", because there is far too much to read it all, and I don't know enough to tell the best and latest advice from the rest. As you will guess from the following, I have read just a bit about SEO, but I am far from sure that I have been reading the best advice. I need a guide who knows his stuff and is willing to take a few minutes to help. (Please!)

We have a new website just about ready to launch to promote a new product due for release in about 6 months. Money is tight, and we have to do things ourselves with free tools.

The website has a lot of useful and original content, and can be navigated by users quite easily. We have done and tested all that.

We are planning to launch the website before the product is ready, partly to try to collect emails from prospective customers. We have also heard that new websites take a while to "settle" in their position in the search engines. (Of course, we don't know if that is actually true.)

The idea is to get the website high on serps for the search terms that prospective users are likely to enter in google, bing and yahoo.

We found some good search terms by guessing at likely searches and typing them into the google search bar. It then told us the most popular searches for some relevant phrases. These popular phrases became what we have been calling our "keywords". (Perhaps we aren't even using the term correctly, and we generally need some advice on how to do things better than so far!)

We have incorporated these keywords into our website content, especially in headers, subheaders, and the text labels for internal links. We have not gone so far in this as to make the content seem unnatural to human readers. (We would like the latest advice on doing all this the best way.)

We have inserted our keywords into the meta-tags and description. (We don't even know if search engines still use these.)

We have found out how to generate an XML sitemap, and how to submit the website to the search engines when the site is finished.

After the site is submitted to the search engines, we have a list of a few hundred free directories where we can submit our site. (We do not know if that really works.)

Basically that is the story so far.

We would really appreciate some guidance on how to do things better, and most especially on how to do any bits that we have missed because we haven't yet heard about.

If somebody can point me to the best threads, articles and resources for learning, I will be really grateful!

**chrishirst** · 04-30-2010, 04:02 PM

Start at the HR Tips for newbies

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We have inserted our keywords into the meta-tags and description. (We don't even know if search engines still use these.)

They don't.

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We have incorporated these keywords into our website content, especially in headers, subheaders, and the text labels for internal links. We have not gone so far in this as to make the content seem unnatural to human readers. (We would like the latest advice on doing all this the best way.)

The best way is NOT to do such things, forcing the writing to have keywords and phrase WILL make it unnatural no matter how much you try not to.

**C0ldf1re** · 04-30-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Start at the HR Tips for newbies

Thanks Chris,

That seems like a goldmine of information.

**renudiz** · 05-01-2010, 07:30 AM

Hi,

It's all fine, but we must analyze competitors keywords also

**bbdirect** · 05-01-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Start at the HR Tips for newbies

They don't.

The best way is NOT to do such things, forcing the writing to have keywords and phrase WILL make it unnatural no matter how much you try not to.

I'm in your side Chris. I believe that when you are writing content for your site it is better that write naturally.

**C0ldf1re** · 05-02-2010, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bbdirect

I'm in your side Chris. I believe that when you are writing content for your site it is better that write naturally.

Perhaps keywords will fall into place naturally, without being forced.

When I was writing articles for magazines (printed magazines sold on the newstands), you had to think carefully about your headline/title and subheadings/sells. It was a matter of thinking, "What will attract readers to stop and read this piece, rather than flipping past it?"

An article on growing cucumbers would need a headline like, "Grow bigger cucumbers the easy way!" That's the way printed magazines worked. Now I've just tried searching Google for "grow bigger cucumbers", and the search results were exactly on target for the subject.

Having established that, I still want to master SEO. The point being that even if my latest article on growing cucumbers is not (objectively considered) the best on the web, I still want it at the number one spot on serps.

So if I can't beat the best author on content (and I can't), I want to beat him on SEO.

**chrishirst** · 05-02-2010, 08:50 AM

Off-topic "banter" moved to http://www.webmaster-talk.com/genera...lit-topic.html

**Sierra Charlie** · 05-03-2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

Perhaps keywords will fall into place naturally, without being forced.

When I was writing articles for magazines (printed magazines sold on the newstands), you had to think carefully about your headline/title and subheadings/sells. It was a matter of thinking, "What will attract readers to stop and read this piece, rather than flipping past it?"

An article on growing cucumbers would need a headline like, "Grow bigger cucumbers the easy way!" That's the way printed magazines worked. Now I've just tried searching Google for "grow bigger cucumbers", and the search results were exactly on target for the subject.

So if I can't beat the best author on content (and I can't), I want to beat him on SEO.

If you are familiar with stuff like inverted pyramid I think you can go a long way in this business of SEO. There are only so many that can write without screaming 'fake' on the second sentence. So good for you. Share the link when you have the site ready.