SEO Tycoon

**crescendo** · 08:23 AM

I want to be clear about the reason for which gujaratreclaim com is coming ahead of site rakshareclaim com , with keyword "RECLAIM RUBBER". Is it the major reason that removed site's share is being traded online in stock market. PFA.

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**ModDish** · 07-26-2010, 08:32 AM

not sure what your using to find your results ? but it isn't in all the tools I checked. sure you aren't using the Google custom results ?

rakshareclaim com is coming up in 5th, while the other isn't on the first 10.

also your page only has 1 backlink.

this is a decent keyword, with about 150 searches daily , and really no serious competitors for the word. the sites ahead of you are at max a pr of 2, with no serious backlinks, or seo done to there site, you could move up for this word relativly easy if you optimize correctly.

**ModDish** · 08:38 AM

here is your rankings for that keyword for google,yahoo and bing.

broad is when someone types in RECLAIM RUBBER while phase is if they type in "RECLAIM RUBBER" , bl means backlinks, and pr means pagerank.

your doing very well for a new site with no backlinks or pr, you could rank #1 with ease.

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 08:38 AM

Because the SE algorithm has decide THAT is the page that is more "important" for the phrase.

It could be any combination of around 200 factors that makes the difference or it could be just one. Only Google "knows"

And No it's nothing to do with the stock market other that could generate natural links from "trusted" sites.

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 09:05 AM

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not sure what your using to find your results ? but it isn't in all the tools I checked. sure you aren't using the Google custom results ?

That's because "rankings" are different for everybody.

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rakshareclaim com is coming up in 5th, while the other isn't on the first 10.

For you at least!

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also your page only has 1 backlink.

How do you know? Or have you personally searched every page on the Internet?

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this is a decent keyword, with about 150 searches daily

So being top five you may expect to get, errm well! as many as 3 visitors a day for that phrase!

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and really no serious competitors for the word.

it's a phrase! and what about the other 9,800 or so pages that are actively chasing that phrase?

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the sites ahead of you are at max a pr of 2, with no serious backlinks

What has the SGB got to do with anything?? AND
How do you know there is "no serious backlinks"?? or have you personally researched that as well?

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... or seo done to there site,

How can you tell there has been no SEO done to their site.
Optimising done correctly should NOT leave any obvious signs. It's only the numpties that leave glaring footprints (in bold or heading) that they have been attempting to manipulate the pages.
They may well employed somebody who KNEW what they were doing, rather hiring an "expert"!

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you could move up for this word relativly easy if you optimize correctly.

"Relatively easy" being something of a understatement.

**ModDish** · 09:25 AM

backlinks to the page
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com...&bwmo=d&bwmf=u

might have 10000 but if the search engines don't fing them, there useless for rankings.

#1 ranking for a keyword generating 150 searches a day, can get roughly 60 clicks a day...its somewhere around 40-50% of users that click #1

there are 30,400 pages competing for the phrase. with only 5% actually using it as a keyword, or meta tag

if I type it into google personally , it comes up 2nd actually, but the true search rank is 5th without any personal search settings/location.

how do you optimize nothing, did you goto gujaratreclaim com they have no content on there main page. they also have no description or keywords. so someone really went above and beyond to hide the seo they did.
http://www.woorank.com/en/www/gujaratreclaim.com

**crescendo** · 07-26-2010, 09:24 AM

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here is your rankings for that keyword for google,yahoo and bing.

broad is when someone types in RECLAIM RUBBER while phase is if they type in "RECLAIM RUBBER" , bl means backlinks, and pr means pagerank.

your doing very well for a new site with no backlinks or pr, you could rank #1 with ease.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=recla...f283704d9ed6ea

**crescendo** · 07-26-2010, 09:25 AM

you can see the result

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http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=recla...f283704d9ed6ea

**ModDish** · 09:42 AM

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you can see the result

every person on a different pc, with different settings will get different results on search engines. someone on google.ca will get different results than google.com

personal search history can also effect what is displayed in the search results.

with that said, id say your barking up the wrong tree when it comes to being the main reason its being traded

**HiChina** · 07-26-2010, 09:50 AM

I had great time reading the thread. The analysis of other people are great to know...

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 10:06 AM

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backlinks to the page
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com...&bwmo=d&bwmf=u

might have 10000 but if the search engines don't fing them, there useless for rankings.

And that has to do with Google results because??

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#1 ranking for a keyword generating 150 searches a day, can get roughly 60 clicks a day...its somewhere around 40-50% of users that click #1

You are assuming there that ALL the search and clicks come via the SERPs AND that the numbers from wherever are accurate..

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there are 30,400 pages competing for the phrase. with only 5% actually using it as a keyword, or meta tag

Nope.
http://www.google.com/webhp?q=allint...reclaim+rubber and what have meta tags got to do with it?

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if I type it into google personally , it comes up 2nd actually, but the true search rank is 5th without any personal search settings/location.

Logged in or not there are "personal filters" applied

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how do you optimize nothing, did you goto gujaratreclaim com they have no content on there main page. they also have no description or keywords. so someone really went above and beyond to hide the seo they did.
http://www.woorank.com/en/www/gujaratreclaim.com

And using that silly "tool" tells you what exactly.
Have you considered the fact that they may not even bother about SEO & SEM?

Their website has been around since 1999 in various guises so has had plenty of time to accumulate natural links and "authority"

**ModDish** · 07-26-2010, 10:30 AM

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And that has to do with Google results because??

You are assuming there that ALL the search and clicks come via the SERPs AND that the numbers from wherever are accurate..

Nope.
http://www.google.com/webhp?q=allint...reclaim+rubber and what have meta tags got to do with it?

Logged in or not there are "personal filters" applied

And using that silly "tool" tells you what exactly.
Have you considered the fact that they may not even bother about SEO & SEM?

Their website has been around since 1999 in various guises so has had plenty of time to accumulate natural links and "authority"

oh I agree, the main reason that site is ranking well, is it has a pr of 4, and is 11 years old. more than likely has a pile of high priority incoming links with anchor text to other pages on the domain. but, its not optimized well enough that he couldn't overtake its position with 2-3 weeks of work by himself. a few good onsite articles, marketed right to get high quality natural backlinks and he should eb able to move up.

and no I don't offer seo, so not trying to land any seo jobs. SE rankings most times are a crap shoot, you can get on the top 10, but how anyone can guarantee #1 without using something black hat,and risk of banning I think is impossible, the getting #1 isn't impossible, its the guarantee part that I find funny.

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 10:48 AM

Forget what the SGB says, that has nothing at all to do with "rankings"

Nobody can guarantee #1 ranking with or with using dubious methods, and all it actually takes to "leap frog" the competition is to get more factors "right" than the person above you.

There are no "secrets", no "magic bullet". Just patience and perseverance, testing and refining and taking no notice at all of anyone who calls themself "expert", "master" or "guru"

**ModDish** · 10:58 AM

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Forget what the SGB says, that has nothing at all to do with "rankings"

Nobody can guarantee #1 ranking with or with using dubious methods, and all it actually takes to "leap frog" the competition is to get more factors "right" than the person above you.

There are no "secrets", no "magic bullet". Just patience and perseverance, testing and refining and taking no notice at all of anyone who calls themself "expert", "master" or "guru"

im an extreme novice when it comes to seo lol but starting to think im an expert based on questions ive been seeing on the forums, asked by people with "the seo experts" or similar links in there signatures lol .

I never really focused on seo'ing my website. I did the usual keyword/meta descriptions etc, and added what I think would be good throughout my page.But I get most of my work, by word of mouth, keep busy, ask if I can put a back link on sites I design, and gradually let my site build up by itself.

If I never get good ranks, im not too worried about it, as I keep busy enough without it. But if I do get good ranks all the better. But would never rely on seo ranks as my sole income, as it can change in an instance.

you seem to be the only seo expert here, you don't tell people to storm blog or other places for links, and focus more on high quality natural backlinks based on content.

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 11:20 AM

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im an extreme novice when it comes to seo lol but starting to think im an expert based on questions ive been seeing on the forums, asked by people with "the seo experts" or similar links in there signatures lol .

And you probably know more about genuine SEO than most of those "experts" do.

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I never really focused on seo'ing my website. I did the usually keyword/meta descriptions etc, and added what I think would be good throughout my page.But I get most of my work, by word of mouth, keep busy, ask if I can put a back link on sites I design, and gradually let my site build up by itself.

Keep it like that, and your pages will convert better for the client than the "SEO by numbers" pages so many churn out.
For self promotion on clients sites, I find that a "designer/developer profile page" on a client site tended to bring more qualified enquiries than the ubiquitous "Designed by" footer links, make the page an integral part of the site (and the navigation) so it doesn't look as if it was "shoe horned" into place then even the most discerning client are usually Ok with it.

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If I never get good ranks, im not too worried about it, as I keep busy enough without it. But if I do get good ranks all the better. But would never rely on seo ranks as my sole income, as it can change in an instance.

Absolutely, 100% the right way to be. Work and revenue gained from Search SHOULD be the gravy to go with your chips (fries).

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you seem to be the only seo expert here, you don't tell people to storm blog or other places for links, and focus more on high quality natural backlinks.

Maybe not an "expert", I just practice a lot

**ModDish** · 12:19 PM

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And you probably know more about genuine SEO than most of those "experts" do.

Keep it like that, and your pages will convert better for the client than the "SEO by numbers" pages so many churn out.
For self promotion on clients sites, I find that a "designer/developer profile page" on a client site tended to bring more qualified enquiries than the ubiquitous "Designed by" footer links, make the page an integral part of the site (and the navigation) so it doesn't look as if it was "shoe horned" into place then even the most discerning client are usually Ok with it.

Absolutely, 100% the right way to be. Work and revenue gained from Search SHOULD be the gravy to go with your chips (fries).

Maybe not an "expert", I just practice a lot

never actually thought of a "designer page" on sites, Thats a great idea, And i have really good relationships with all my clients, so don't think Id have a problem getting most of them to allow it.

Thanks for the tip.

I really find its the little things with clients that makes the difference to get them to come back, and refer you. For instance , this morning, I took a unpaid hour to make a few adjustments to a clients site, ( really about 30 min ) they didn't have the knowledge to add a page ( with the content they already written) and get it into their drop-down menu. So they called, within a hour I had the link and page added for them, and didn't charge them. about a hour later someone called looking for a full site, they were a close friend of the first clients, and that 30 min, landed me a $1500 job. Who knows if I would have gotten that job if i didn't go above and beyond for the first client.

**chrishirst** · 07-26-2010, 01:41 PM

Congrats.

As they say what "Goes around, comes around"