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Old 07-05-2011, 10:25 PM SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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Some eight months ago, I did an SEO test. This successfully drove a blank webpage to the top of Google serps (on a non-competitive keyphrase, of course) by link-juice alone.

After Panda (the latest Google algorithm change), the test could not be repeated. "Ahaa", I said to myself in my innocence, "Google has at long last decided to index only quality webpages." Wrong again, as in so many things Google!

Proudly standing at PR4 is the Brazilian website http://www.pudim.com.br/ with minimal content. Just a jpeg, a header, and an email. Presumably Google cannot parse the contents of pictures, so gives them a default pass in the good content category.

The Pudim website must owe its PR to the IBL's. A check at BlueBackLinks reports finding about 18,293 IBL's. These seem to be from blog comments (although, not speaking Portuguese, my checking was minimal).

If my theory is correct, we can substitute any jpeg for good content in test websites, making it easier to analyse results (as the keywords in real good content might obscure the effects of IBL's).

This is not a new idea. The Emperor Napoleon once said, "A picture is worth a thousand words." ("Un bon croquis vaut mieux qu'un long discours.") The Corsican Tyrant and the Mountain View Tyrants seem to hold similar views on this, as well as on world domination.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:27 PM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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Thanks for the heads up Coldf...C0ldfi...Coldf1r...Dammit I forgot how to spell your name...lol...

Here's one thing I noticed recently. I have a page entitled "keyword phrase" videos. I just published it because I wanted my readers to have some videos to watch about the subject. I put in about a 150 word description just so the page would get indexed. No backlinks. This page ranks on about page 7 for the keyword.

I published another page that had the keyword first in the title tag, but with a 600 word article. That page ranks on the top of page 2 for the keyword. And again, no backlinks. They're also the same age roughly. This has been consistant, and I'm not really trying to rank either one. But it gives you an idea about content.

As for the PR 4 website you mentioned. How does it rank for it's targeted key phrases? I don't think PR has anything to do with rankings anymore. I rank on page 1 for dozens of terms that range between 500 and 10,000 exact searches a month (and these are mostly for just posts, not homepages). And even after the recent PR update, all my domains are still PR 0.

I'm going back and forth with a Wikipedia page for the #1 spot that has the exact match phrase in the title, and it is PR5. And me, PR 0...that's for the domain!

But high PR does seem to me to pass link juice. But if you needed high PR to rank, then all my sites would be on like page 10
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:17 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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... As for the PR 4 website you mentioned. How does it rank for it's targeted key phrases?...
The keyphrase used as anchor text for the IBL's is mainly "pudim" which seems to translate as pudding. A google.com search for "pudim" places the site at number 5 in serps. At Google Brazil it ranks number 1 in serps for pudim.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:03 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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The keyphrase used as anchor text for the IBL's is mainly "pudim" which seems to translate as pudding. A google.com search for "pudim" places the site at number 5 in serps. At Google Brazil it ranks number 1 in serps for pudim.
I'm thinking of getting into the pudding niche myself.

Jello pudding pops--1600 exact searches a month

Jello pudding pop recipe--140

Jello pudding pop--170

Pudding pops--1300

Pudding pop--590

Jello puddin--4400

Why the hell would you search on google for pudding pops??? Why ask why..lol.. I bet Bill Cosby is thrilled.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:29 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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Have a site....10 IBLs......limited content.....#8 on G...#1 on both Bing and Yahoo...

There are three photos on the page.....(plus normal graphic header)
That would be worth 3,000 words......

Very interesting
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:50 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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Well, when did you found this website? Any possibility this website changed its layout recently? Because I know another website,http://www.firefoxtoolbar.com/, you see, the whole website content is "hello world", PR4, Google index 135 million pages contain "firefox toolbar" and this website ranked #7 on first page. Any ideas?
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:10 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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If you want to know whether anchor text still carries weight, just search for "click here" (without quotes) in Google.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:55 AM Re: SEO, good content, Panda, and the Emperor Napoleon
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Well, when did you found this website? Any possibility this website changed its layout recently?
Found it yesterday.

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Because I know another website,http://www.firefoxtoolbar.com/, you see, the whole website content is "hello world", PR4, Google index 135 million pages contain "firefox toolbar" and this website ranked #7 on first page. Any ideas?
This website has about 265 IBL's reported by BlueBackLinks, many of which are dofollow and where the anchor text contains "firefox toolbar". This will easily push it high on serps for a relatively non-competitive keyphrase. It is non-competitive because, even out of 135 million pages, very few will have deliberately targetted that keyphrase.
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