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Old 08-24-2011, 10:48 AM Do seo tools really work ?
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Do seo tools really work ? And if so which is the best to use ? some help ?
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:55 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Nope.

None of them.

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Old 08-24-2011, 11:45 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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I have played with several over the years......
Some of the information given is way off the mark...
Some can be helpful....

The best tool is your brain...after it is trained...
Study, research and practice...you start to think SEO.....))
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Old 08-24-2011, 04:17 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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I would say that none of them ork from my experience and the best way is usually the hard way
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:38 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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I'm not sure really if it really works, I'm still a newbie here and still on the process of trying this out; but basing on the feedback here it seems I've got to learn more aside from this SEO Tools.
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:38 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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hmmm I think no but there are some products in google (analytics and webmaster tools) you can use them as a tool its up to you
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:58 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Yeah. I do not believe in SEO tools. You must work hard for your to be productive.
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:07 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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I think without tool SEO is hard task. I am using SearchStatus tool for SEO.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:48 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Links are promotional, once you figure that out link building is VERY very easy
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:35 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Well i have seen none working for my self except getting the website to get marked as spam....
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:35 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Some of them work but some not have to take chance to test them.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:42 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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SEO tools work but they do not work better than our brains and our discerning abilities.Tools help us take the right decision.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:10 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:48 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Links are promotional, once you figure that out link building is VERY very easy
So, you're saying that all I need to do is think and believe that links are promotional and everything will be easy from here on out? I can't agree, sorry. Adding a link does not optimize anything actually, nor does adding a link somewhere create a promotion. It's really just spam IMO.
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:04 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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In my opinion, seo tools seo great help in the process that we may better see the data, so that we can view the data well to avoid waste of time caused the problem.
Let's use Websitegrader.com as an example, do you honestly think that this website's tools can help you with search engine optimization? If you knew what or how to optimize a website for a search engine, you would know that these websites are just trying to sell their SEO services. I don't see them helping much or at all really.
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:56 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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So, you're saying that all I need to do is think and believe that links are promotional and everything will be easy from here on out? I can't agree, sorry.
Why not. What would you to promote a bricks & mortar shop?
Would you not visit other shops in the area and ask if you can put a card in their window pointing out where your shop is and what you sell?
Maybe visit local social clubs and leave a poster.
Hand out flyers, give away business cards, put adverts in the local papers.

What are links if they are not pointers to your pages.
What is anchor text if not a way of pointing out what you can find at the location.
What are banners or image ads if not the Internet equivalent of posters and flyers
Would you say that you were "optimising" your shop by putting posters on lamposts
Any time you tell somebody about your pages by leaving a link, you are PROMOTING your pages to the reader of that anchor text.

Promoting means "making others aware of something"! Do links not make others aware of your page or site?
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Adding a link does not optimize anything actually,
Correct, though it does add keywords to the page your link is on.

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It's really just spam IMO.
No! Spam is always in the intent not the action.
If you are placing links PURELY for search engines, that is spam.
Place the same links on the same pages because you want to suggest to visitors to that page to also think about visiting YOUR page. That's promotion

It becomes an "nobrainer". You don't have to try and second guess how "valuable" the link might be to search engines because it doesn't matter to you.
In another post I offer two scenarios I shall repeat it here.

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Your scenario:
Q: Why get links?

A: To get "better" rankings so more people come to my pages.

So why not simply cut out the middle-man????

new scenario:

Q: Why get links?
A: To get more people to visit my pages.


conclusion:
You don't need to have search engines send traffic, you can do it all on your own!


Now! Also in this new scenario, if SEs just happen to find the links are "valuable" to their algo, they ALSO start sending referral traffic. So hey presto you just got more traffic without even trying.
But if they don't, you don't care anyway because your "link building" has already got you the traffic you wanted, so the SE referrals are bonus traffic.
Think about it carefully before deciding I'm talking out of my rectal orifice.
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:47 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Well i have seen nothing working for my self, cant as to well guarantee for others....
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:16 PM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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Why not. What would you to promote a bricks & mortar shop?
Would you not visit other shops in the area and ask if you can put a card in their window pointing out where your shop is and what you sell?
Maybe visit local social clubs and leave a poster.
Hand out flyers, give away business cards, put adverts in the local papers.

What are links if they are not pointers to your pages.
What is anchor text if not a way of pointing out what you can find at the location.
What are banners or image ads if not the Internet equivalent of posters and flyers
Would you say that you were "optimising" your shop by putting posters on lamposts
Any time you tell somebody about your pages by leaving a link, you are PROMOTING your pages to the reader of that anchor text.

Promoting means "making others aware of something"! Do links not make others aware of your page or site?
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For the most part, you are correct. Don't get me wrong. I just disagree with the fact you are claiming that when you put a link somewhere, it's promotion, and that's not entirely true.

I see promotion and spam as two completely different things, not just for search engine ranking factors.

Promoting would be buying ad space and well, simply promoting your website. You are doing it in a clean, respectable, and professional way. But by going on Yahoo Answers or a newspaper sites and comment purely to drive customers or users to your website, I view that as spam, not promotion.
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:46 AM Re: Do seo tools really work ?
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You are still thinking in narrow terms.

Lets broaden it out somewhat and forget about what is spam and what isn't.

Going back to the real shop, You and your staff have t-shirts with the name, logo and address on them, and each time you step outside the shop and walk down the street to get a butty (sandwich) or a drink you are promoting the shop.
Get on a bus full of people and when they see and read the t-shirt you are promoting the shop.
You have carriers printed with the name on, your CUSTOMERS are promoting your shop.
You tell people what you do for a living you are promoting the shop.

Everything you do outside of your shop is promotion, likewise with everything you do OFF your pages is promotion and marketing
It's not annoying people, it's not affecting their normal routine, you are being a good business person and using everything you have at your disposal to increase the footfall to your shop and thereby generate more sales.

Now on the otherhand you could look at aggressive marketing, telesales, cold calling, posting flyers through doors, fly-posting, thrusting flyers at people walking down the street, mass mail drops etc. Now THIS equates to SE Spam, your marketing methods has started to impinge on other people and their life, now that's not to say that it doesn't work, because a small percentage of it does work, it's simply ineffectual and wasteful you put in a lot of time and effort for very little return. I always call it "machine gun" marketing, you spray "bullets" into the crowd and hope you hit your real target.

Choose where to drop links, choose where to talk about your products, don't worry about "quality" pages. By all means post at forums but be choosy, it's rather pointless coming to a forum full of website designers and developer and having a signature for a website designer or developer because the members probably are not looking for one of those.

Alan Perkins published his white paper of the Classification of Search Engine spam ten years ago and it still holds true to this day.
Only the search engines can decide what is and what is not really SE spam.
We call things spam because they are NOT what WE want to see in a particular place.
What we class as spammy here is accepted as aggressive marketing at Digital Point or Warrior Forum.

As I said above with "agressive marketing" techniques you have to do far more to see results, and have to continue doing more and more because it has a short "shelf life"
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