SEO Tycoon

**colochris** · 05-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Ok just so I know for sure and others, PR I take it is your page rank, but what is it exactly?

I mean if your a PR3 on google does this mean your site shows up on page 3?

And if your paying for adwords, wouldn't that make your page better anyways?

Ok with link exchange how does it help? The more links that go to your site the better? I would take it that the more links that go to your site would make it seems more important, leading to better search engine placement.

Either way help me out here with what a newbie would need to know

**chrishirst** · 05-05-2006, 09:39 PM

PR is a number the range of which we don't know assigned by Google and is dependant on the number of, and PR of backlinks to a page.

A toolbar PR of 3 means that whatever the real PR is when converted to an integer falls into the range of 2.5 to 3.49

Adwords and natural search are not connected.

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The more links that go to your site the better? I would take it that the more links that go to your site would make it seems more important, leading to better search engine placement.

Not always true or even necessary. Having a few "good" links can outweigh a lot of lower "quality" links.

**vangogh** · 05-05-2006, 11:23 PM

Just like Chris said. Your PR is a measure of the PR of the sites that are linking to you. Google uses an algorithm to determine what your PR will be based on the quality and quantity of links pointing to your site. By quality here I'm only referring to the PR of the site.

Like Chris said the PR you see in the toolbar is just an integer representation of the PR Goolge actually uses. Their scale isn't 1-10 and they update your PR all the time. The green bar is updated every few months as Google sees fit.

PR has nothting to do with where you show up in a search result the way you're thinking. PR3 doesn't mean you show up on page 3 for search results. It's just a rank that Google developed and uses as a prt of it's overall algorithm in determining what pages to show in the results to a search query. It used to be a very big part of that algorithm, but it's wieight seems to be declining recently and proabably will continue to decline in the future.

With links more is generally better, but a few good links will really go a lot further than a lot of bad links. The ideal situation would be to get a lot of good links.

With links you mostly want to have one way incoming links, the kind where you don't have to give a link back. Link exchanges are ok, but you probably want to keep them as a low percentage of your overall links.

**colochris** · 05-06-2006, 01:23 AM

where is this bar that your talking about?

"PR you see in the toolbar "

Can I find out what mine is? I am sure its bad, but is there a way that I can check it from time to time?

**stOx** · 05-06-2006, 01:33 AM

You need the google toolbar to see it.

**colochris** · 05-06-2006, 02:04 AM

I have the google toolbar, but where do i look?

**chrishirst** · 05-06-2006, 04:40 AM

Great!!!!!

Leave it off!!!!!!

you're better off not knowing and better still if you forget you ever heard about it.

**colochris** · 05-07-2006, 01:17 AM

ok, even though it does not make sense right now, but You are the master not me, so I will listen

**chrishirst** · 05-07-2006, 07:06 AM

do not concern yourself with PR that way you will look at linking for it's true value!

Getting interested visitor to your site from other places and providing useful information to your site visitors.

**colochris** · 05-07-2006, 11:27 AM

Sounds good. Thank you chris.

I just want to have a site that people will want to come to, and advertise on. Sometimes I bet people get so worried about PR and other things when hey first start, that they loose people because they tend to lose focus on there sites content and stuff like that.

People want to start and have that number one spot. It takes time I guess, I just want to stand out when people compare my site to other sites in the same field.

Thanks Again

**vangogh** · 05-07-2006, 02:42 PM

I think potential advertisers will be more concerned with the traffic you get at first and then later with the amount of qualifed traffic they get from your site. It's mostly webmasters that are concerned with PR. And even then webmasters who are reading seo articles from about 2 years ago. There are still many people who have never heard of pagerank.

I'm sure there will be some people who will base their decision on PR, but they wouldn't be making the best decision if they did. If your site can send targeted traffic to potential advertisers is makes no difference if your site is PR0 or PR10.

As for where to see PR in the tollbar you might just need to to turn it on in the options. There should be a checkbox to either display it or not. I'm not sure if it's on by default. As long as you look at the green bar for entertainment purposes only.

**colochris** · 05-08-2006, 01:07 AM

great thank you as always

**colochris** · 05-08-2006, 03:35 AM

ok so I finally figured out this page rank thing. What I don't get though is when someone say there a PR 3 does that mean that they are 3/10?

Amyways it's funny that google ranks 10/10

**vangogh** · 05-08-2006, 02:57 PM

Yep it's 3/10 for the toolbar PR (what you and the rest of us can see about the site). Google has their own internal number system that isn't out of 10.

**Visio** · 05-08-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by colochris

Ok just so I know for sure and others, PR I take it is your page rank, but what is it exactly?

I mean if your a PR3 on google does this mean your site shows up on page 3?

And if your paying for adwords, wouldn't that make your page better anyways?

Ok with link exchange how does it help? The more links that go to your site the better? I would take it that the more links that go to your site would make it seems more important, leading to better search engine placement.

Either way help me out here with what a newbie would need to know

Checkout the following site to better understand the Google PR system. http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/

Does Adwords effects your ranking? Although soYour ad is placed on thousands of 1-page ad domains that aren't even being used as sites they are just expired domains. THese type of links will not help your site. My overall opinion on this is to use adwords as a advertising method but not to gain backlinks as I don't think it will help you much.

To answer your last question about what type of links help your site. If a site with a PR of 5 puts your link on their site it will certainly help you. If the sites title tag contains one or more of your keywords on your site it will help you even more and if the link text cotnains your keywords it is the best.
Let me explain. You want to exchange links with sites that share the same topic or atleast part of the same topic. Sites the will contain some of the same type of content. These links will be much better.
I had a client who wanted to be on the top for a competitive phrase. I got the client 5 backlinks all of which had PR of less than 4. All the other competiting sites had from 70-1700 backlinks. This site only had 5. My clients site came up for that keyword on the top and a few others as well. The reason? All the backlinks came from sites that shared the same type of content.

Hope I have helped you a little and not jsut rambled on

**colochris** · 05-08-2006, 09:47 PM

ok so that I can understand the backlink thing, do I ask the visitors to bookmark the page?

Or do I try and exchange links with other sites that cover the same topic as mine?

I just want to be competitive to my foes. Which really I stand out, because, well its a long story but to sum it up I cover a broad spectrum of credit stuff in stead of specialized as others do.

**chrishirst** · 05-09-2006, 04:07 AM

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do I ask the visitors to bookmark the page?

No

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Or do I try and exchange links with other sites that cover the same topic as mine?

exchange? you can, but be very careful what sites you exchange with.

In your market sector there is no chance of getting enough links to bomb your way anywhere.
Concentrate on getting useful links that send visitors that will convert.
Do your word research and target relevant phrases that are relatively low competition.

There is very little chance of getting really good free SE results in the financial sectors, You are going to have to spend money and buy adverts, either as text links or PPC ads, pick the right phrases to target and you could get cheapish clicks that convert well

**colochris** · 05-09-2006, 09:58 AM

that makes sense. For an example I am using the phrase Bankruptcy Forums, to try an dget people to come to my forum, which would hopefully result into coming to my main site.

Anyways it is like .66 per click. So I understand what you mean by low competition phrases