SEO Tycoon

**afridy** · 02:06 PM

Hai friends.

Please explain me how to put some keywords in to Keywords Meta tag in simple & professional way.

Pls give me the example code with two or three keywords

**knives-out** · 09-08-2006, 02:53 PM

How about something like this

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="XHTML namespace">
<head>
<title> Web Site Designer</title>
<meta name="Keywords" content="Web Site Design, Web Design, website designer, Professional Web Designer, Web Development, Web Site Developer, Professional Designer, UK" />
<meta name="Description" content="Web Design - Professional Web Site Designer" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no" />
<meta name="robots" content="all, index, follow" />
<meta name="Coverage" content="Worldwide" />
<link href="web-site-design.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen, projection" />
</head>
<body>

Note how the <title> appears in the keywords and appears in the meta discription tag too.

if you add a <h1> tag with Web site designer immediately after the <body> tag and add it as a alt tag on an image it will hopefully improve your search engine results in google.

**LadynRed** · 09-08-2006, 03:06 PM

Keywords by themselves are NOT a big factor in search engine rankings any more and stuffing more than 10-12 is a bad idea, search engines will ignore them. Much more important is keyword DENSITY, relevant and descriptive Titles, and a good meta DESCRIPTION. THE biggest factor, especially for Google, is incoming LINKS - and RELEVENT links. Getting your site on some link farm doesn't do it.

Proper, semantic markup is a factor too. Using headings (h1..2.etc), alt ATTRIBUTES on your images, they all count.

**afridy** · 09-08-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives-out

How about.....

Hai Thanks knives. Got it!

**afridy** · 09-08-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadynRed

Keywords by themselves are NOT a big factor in search engine rankings any more and stuffing more than 10-12 is a bad idea, search engines will ignore them. Much more important is keyword DENSITY, relevant and descriptive Titles, and a good meta DESCRIPTION. THE biggest factor, especially for Google, is incoming LINKS - and RELEVENT links. Getting your site on some link farm doesn't do it.

Proper, semantic markup is a factor too. Using headings (h1..2.etc), alt ATTRIBUTES on your images, they all count.

Hai Red. thanks for thease wonderfull tips..

**knives-out** · 04:15 AM

From my testing and looking on google one of the best things you can do (correct me if I`m wrong) is put your content right after the <body> tag or as near to the body tag as poss.

Most people have about 20 or 30 lines of say navigation code before they even get to the content of the page. Much better to have the content first and all the other code stuff last. Then use css to place the elements in the order you want them.

Also don't use to many keywords, I have done sites using 1 keyword per page and they still get lots of hits on google.

**chrishirst** · 09-09-2006, 06:17 AM

[quote=knives-out](correct me if I`m wrong) is put your content right after the <body> tag or as near to the body tag as poss.{/quote] You're wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadynRed

Much more important is keyword DENSITY

Nope Keyword Density is a meaningless metric.

**knives-out** · 09-09-2006, 08:16 AM

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Content is king, that I agree with, but if you have 300 lines of navigation clutter, rollover images, javascript etc right after the <body> tag then google will see that b 4 it will see any real body text. So if you put all that after your real text google will hit your page and see all your loverly content rather than a bunch of weird navigational or other code.

If you look at this layout 3 col layout with equalising columns and footer and view the source the real content is very close to the <body> tag, from my tests if you have 2 pages with the exact same content the technique that I am explaining will always rank better than the other.

You get me?

**chrishirst** · 09-09-2006, 10:57 AM

I know precisely what you and you are still wrong about the assumption that having text higher up the pages makes for better results.

sections of code that are not required/used by the ranking algo are simply skipped over.

**knives-out** · 09-09-2006, 11:17 AM

Not everything is ignored, for instance if you have a lot of images in your navigation or you may have a left or right floated box that comes before the main body text or if you have a flash for your navigation, and then a flash movie after that.

I`ll try and do a test using the same page content but with different ordering in the code. Will take a while to get indexed, but would be nice to find out what happens with google ranking, mind you its duplicate content, but should be okay

**LadynRed** · 09-09-2006, 01:14 PM

Ok, Chris, so why don't you tell us WHY ??
The keyword density thing is something I've read over and over again on various SEO sites and I believe even Google itself mentions it in their 'webmaster help' section.

I have, however, seen it used to horrible effect. I sort of 'inherited' a site at work that the owner ( a doctor) want's redesigned. On one of her pages, explaining the history of her field of practice, the original writers used 'the history of xxxxxx' over and over and over again in the text. The result was a nightmare to read and ultimately, IMO, destroyed what they were trying to explain.

Sooo.. why is it a 'meaningless metric' if so many SEO sources say it's not ?? Edumacate me

(yes, I spelled it that way on purpose)

**vangogh** · 04:02 PM

LadynRed keyword density is going to be one factor among many that a search engine will use in determining where a given page will rank to a given query. But it's pretty easy to abuse as you can imagine. If you were to see a page with a kw density of 50% it's obvious that it's a pretty poor page with little value.

So while it's most likely a factor in determing rank it's not something where it would make much difference if your density was say 5% as opposed to 6%.

I probably shouldn't speak for Chris, but when he says it's meaningless it's really to keep people from focusing on density so much. A few extra keywords on a page will increase the density, but aren't going to do anything to improve your ranking. I know I do that with questions. Far too many people still see seo as something that involves some tweaking to where you place a word on a page or how many times you use that word and then like magic you rank better. Those same people are always frustrated when their pages don't get much visibilty and they then look for a different place to move that keyword. What they tend to do is ignore the basic principles and general marketing that is what really will make your site visible.

Because of the easy manipulation there are likely filters at search engines that will consider too high a density as spam. I couldn't tell you what specific number that is, but I would say if you're under 10% you're probably safe, though I would think 10% might even be pushing it.

I know when I write a page I never think about the keyword density of the page. I just write the page naturally for the people who I hope will read it. When I've written a page that reads well for human beings then I've got the perfect keyword density on the page.

Sometimes that means using a couple less keywords, becuase it sounded awkward to mention it that third time in a paragraph. Will I later go in sometimes and add a keyword? I might. I might even tweak a page to add italics around a keyword or place it in bold to see what happens. Truth is except for the least competitive keyprhases what you do on the page itself will only get you so far.

I think search engines have also gotten sophisticated enough where they can recognize words as synonyms to each other. So they can recoginize that a car and an automobile and an auto are the same thing. It's more natural when writing to use all three on the same page than focus exclusively on one all the time. So your page may actually end up ranking better for the word automible if you sometimes refer to it as a car or an auto. As it turns out if you mention all three it can actually rank well for all three.

The main thing though is that there are so many different ranking factors and most really have minor effects in the overall algorithm. Worrying too much about trying to make any one perfect won't do much good.

Is keywords density considered when deciding where a page ranks? I'm sure it is in some way. Will adding a few keywords to increase my density make a difference in where my page ranks for that keyword? Not really, given all the other factors that went into determining where the page should rank.

**chrishirst** · 09-10-2006, 06:42 AM

I should have qualified the statement a better, although Steve has done a excellent job.

keyword density as a numeric constant is a useless metric

One of the problems of "SEO sources" is the amount of bad and/or misleading information there is. Some "experts" have their heads stuck in the IPB & WPG SEO by numbers mode (when they aren't firmly stuck up their own rectal orifice of course) and do not have the imagination (or ability) to look beyond search engines and consider people who have to read the pages.
Their only means of deciding what is "best" is "analysing" the competition and copying them or doing a little more, If the others have 1 H1 tag then 2 must be better, 5% density? hmm! we'll use 6%, every instance of the phrase goes in bold and so on. Then they proceed to expound their wisdom in a way that makes them appear to be THE person/company to trust your site to (or give your CC details to)

**LadynRed** · 09-12-2006, 07:25 PM

Ok, guys, thanks for the clarification. I don't worry too much about keyword density myself. Like Steve, I just write the content so it's clear and concise and understandable to readers.

My biggest problem is getting these doctors to put a link to their practice sites in every on-line source their attached to - hospitals, professional organizations, certifying organizations, etc. Since incoming RELEVANT links do have some weight. Most of them are not overly concerned with being at the top of Google anyway, but I do what I can. The best links should be coming from the hospitals.. but.. the people who build the hospital sites use a terrible CMS system and the only way their sites turn up anywhere near the top is that they have all the hospitals BUYING keywords thru Overture ! Well.. it doens't work. When you have page titles that say 'this is the home page', it's useless.

**vangogh** · 09-12-2006, 07:36 PM

I've worked on my share of sites with page titles like: Home, About, Contact Us. You try to tell people that won't cut it, but they don't want to pay to have you rewrite things so there's only so much you can do.

They say they're not concerned until they can't find themselves in search results and wonder why.

**yoshimitsuspeed** · 09-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vangogh

I've worked on my share of sites with page titles like: Home, About, Contact Us. You try to tell people that won't cut it, but they don't want to pay to have you rewrite things so there's only so much you can do.

They say they're not concerned until they can't find themselves in search results and wonder why.

So what makes a good page title?

**stOx** · 09-12-2006, 10:28 PM

Something that is descriptive of the content.

**vangogh** · 09-13-2006, 03:49 PM

Also something that uses keywords. If you did a search and saw a link that said 'Home' and one that said 'World History: 1215 To Present'
which would you be more likely to click assuming you were searching for something about history.

That's not necessarily the best page title that's ever been written, but it's obviously more descriptive than 'Home' and would have 'world history' and probably '1215' as keywords if you were searching for info about the Magna Carta. Maybe

World History: Magna Carta (1215) - Present

would make a better page title. 'Home' or 'Home - Your Company Name' would not make a good page title. If someone does use the term 'home' in a search they would most likely be looking for home in the sense of a house. Maybe 'home repair', 'buying a home' or something similar.

I can guarantee if someone types in 'home' into a search engine they are not looking for your or anyone's home page.

**ashu@webnewtons** · 09-18-2006, 09:47 AM

Hi, Have alook to this as we have put in our Website

<head>
<title>Economical Quality Web Design & Development-India</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta name="keywords" content="Economical web development, Quality web development, Economical Web Design, Quality Web Design, Web Design India, Web Development India" />
<meta name="description" content="Webnewtons, an India-based organization, provides Economical Quality Web Design & Development with specialization in PHP programming, Web Template, Banner Design & Flash Movie." />
</head>

Thanks

**vangogh** · 09-18-2006, 04:03 PM

Looks good Ashutosh.