SEO Tycoon

**Marvin** · 12-12-2006, 08:05 PM

What book would you recommend as the best on SEO?

**solidghost** · 12-13-2006, 04:05 AM

The one by Aaron Wall?

But I think that you can get more information from reading and posting in forums, reading online SEO articles and so on.

**theGypsy** · 12-14-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by solidghost

The one by Aaron Wall?

But I think that you can get more information from reading and posting in forums, reading online SEO articles and so on.

uhhhhh Forums are generally full of a great deal of mis-information.. I know of few forums with folks of Aarons ilk dispensing SEO wisdom

Just a thought

**astrojith** · 12-14-2006, 01:59 AM

Well, forums are the best place to learn stuff. Its better than any book. But anyway, if you like books more, Aaron's SEO book just rox. I've bought it before. It contains a lotta updated material. Buy one.

And..dont go for limewire pls. Lets just stop piracy.

**theGypsy** · 12-14-2006, 02:06 AM

So your saying the members here (or elsewhere) are more knowledgable than Aaron? Or am I missing something?

**astrojith** · 12-14-2006, 02:27 AM

Well, yeah. Aaron is nothing compared to all the info shared here. You see, vangogh, ADAM WEBDESIGN, chrishirst etc are really knowledgable. I read SEO book myself. I'll be grateful to share the knowledge.

**chrishirst** · 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by theGypsy

uhhhhh Forums are generally full of a great deal of mis-information..

Unfortunately you are quite correct, very many of the SEM/SEO forums are packed to the gunwales with mis-information, speculation presented as fact and downright lies. The unfortunate thing with many of them is they do nothing to dispel the myths and crap.

Here at least we do try to point people who have read this "authorative clap trap" into the "ways of the force", though sometimes the noise does drown out the signal.

**mikefields** · 12-14-2006, 03:24 PM

I found the seochat form a good place to read articles

**ADAM Web Design** · 12-14-2006, 04:44 PM

What Hirst (and to a lesser extent astrojith) said. There are places of information that are available for free with a number of people who don't suffer from Cranial-Rectal Syndrome, including this one.

There are no good books on SEO. Books are basically a snapshot of a series of prevailing viewpoints at any given time.

www.mattcutts.com/blog <--- better than any SEO book you'll ever read, and the price is well within your budget.

**Marvin** · 12-14-2006, 05:48 PM

Thanks guys. I am off to check out the Matt Cutts blog and Seochat articles. And I learnt what gunwales and limewire mean as well. All in the same day. Life is good.

**theGypsy** · 06:33 PM

Ok..Ok.. slooowwww down…. Let’s take stock

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Unfortunately you are quite correct, very many of the SEM/SEO forums are packed to the gunwales with mis-information, speculation presented as fact and downright lies. The unfortunate thing with many of them is they do nothing to dispel the myths and crap.

Here at least we do try to point people who have read this "authorative clap trap" into the "ways of the force", though sometimes the noise does drown out the signal.

Most certainly one’s goal in SEO learning is to find the signal through the static

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Originally Posted by mikefields

I found the seochat form a good place to read articles

Whoah.. second only to DP for mania and nOObs Have some fun with this;
http://forums.seochat.com/google-opt...eo-113532.html a popular (fiction) writer at SEOC

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

What Hirst (and to a lesser extent astrojith) said. There are places of information that are available for free with a number of people who don't suffer from Cranial-Rectal Syndrome, including this one.

There are no good books on SEO. Books are basically a snapshot of a series of prevailing viewpoints at any given time.

www.mattcutts.com/blog <--- better than any SEO book you'll ever read, and the price is well within your budget.

Because Matt would NEVER spread dis-information????

Ok.. Now I have to think some more my new friends.. gotta be a better way to answer this one… lol… sorry…busy afternoon…just wanted to jump in.. back soon

**Kirtan** · 12-15-2006, 02:32 AM

Gypsy not believe forums and its information, but still he is member of forums and quote info. at forums.

For beginners, Aaron Wall's SEO Book is good and also Dan Thies Free Fast Start SEO Book at his site.

**SeLFiE_12** · 12-15-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theGypsy

uhhhhh Forums are generally full of a great deal of mis-information..

I agree...you will learn a lot from forums but there are topics that you'll not be sure what to think of as there are well we can say experts that didn't agree with each other as people do have different views...

**theGypsy** · 12-16-2006, 11:02 AM

All I am saying is the statement isn't necesarily TRUE.... sometimes forums can have good info and sometimes a Book... there is no hard and fast rule

It really depends....

**vangogh** · 12-16-2006, 01:11 PM

I've read Aaron's book and Dan Theis's book as well and both are good. By the time I first read Aaron's book I knew most of what was in it, but it still taught me a few things and I consider it worth the money I spent. I would think if you're new to SEO it would be worth even more.

David is right about forums. There's a lot of good info in them, but also a lot of misinformation in them. Sometimes it can be hard to find the signal in all the noise.

I think you can find valuable information about seo in a variety of places. I've read my share of forum posts, and blogs, and even books. Some were good, some not so good, and some complete crap.

If you can at least get past the idea that seo is about magic formulas and quick fixes and see it as an extension of marketing in general then you should be able to sort through most of the garbage.

**theGypsy** · 12-16-2006, 01:26 PM

With you there... by the time I got to Aarons book, there were only a few new things.. but all in all..compared to the mounds of garbage out their.. I point nOObs to it...

I really think forums can often confuse folks and make things much harder than they need to be... We do not concern ourselves with TBPR, KW density,XML Site maps and soo many other things I see posted as naseua... We consotently rank clients in many markets including UBER competitive....

As for Signal over Static... I have an area of my personal site (not in siggy) that I post what I feel are RELEVANT threads from a variety of boards... SEO FOrum reporter so to speak... Thus I had to at least pop in here and play around some..

**ADAM Web Design** · 12-16-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theGypsy

Because Matt would NEVER spread dis-information????

Why would he?

1) He's closely scrutinized, both from within and outside the company.

2) The company he works for is a target simply because it's the top dog in terms of search engines.

3) The advice he's given has generally been sound fundamental advice and hasn't encouraged webmasters to game the search engines or take shortcuts.

Where's the disinformation?

**theGypsy** · 12-16-2006, 05:01 PM

Hmmm because Black Hatters read all his stuff as well.. There are simply stuff MC don't talk about or uses. half truths or as the SQ likes to call it the 'non-answer' answer.

Anyways, put on a tin foil hat every so often... it's a good excercise in awareness...

... and of course it is always HIS personal opinion NOT Google's some folks to much stalk into every word he says that's all... it is certainly NOT where one should learn their SEO.. Might as well go to Syndk8 .. probably straighter answers.. lol

Matt's a great guy, but has to cover his own P's & Q's like the rest of us

**ADAM Web Design** · 12-16-2006, 05:08 PM

Now hold on thar a minute. I smell an implication.

Are you suggesting that Matt may be using or doing something that would be grey or black hat?

**theGypsy** · 05:38 PM

Ha ha ha.. tho it would be funny... < Matt doing say... KW injections....lol>
No I mean there are some things that never get addressed, addressed cryptically or the SQT 'non' answer because as always the bad guys are watching.. So there are places on CAN learn more about SEO than MC's blog....

He does know about the stuff... He was ribbing people about DITY on Dave N's blog a while back.. fun watching everyone at play.. I enjoyed it

So, once again, MCs Blog is not really a TOP Shelf SEO course.. at least for me. He's not discussing things other than that which meets his and the SQ teams mandate