SEO Tycoon

**ForrestCroce** · 02-13-2007, 02:51 AM

How much benefit is there in sending articles off to other sites, in general? I've done this a couple of times, either for a friend, or a photography site I've been a member of for years. Somebody posted a list of article submission sites in another thread, and I'm considering that route.

On the other hand, I've submitted my URL to three dozen directories over the past month. Some take a while to be approved, others are almost instant. But I haven't got any traffic from any of them. So with articles, I would write up a few new ones to syndicate, and I'm wondering if it will be worth the effort...?

I've learned a great deal about photography over the years, as an art and a science. There's plenty to write about that people find useful. I've managed to knock myself out of the results for software I've written that's been covered elsewhere, will probably cover different ( and smaller ) topics to avoid that risk.

**sheena** · 02-13-2007, 03:11 AM

Article Submission is the ways to increase traffic and your link popularity.
As user, I will search article that has quality content and unique title.
It is not promoting your site but it tells on how user will get information
from your article

**Claud** · 02-13-2007, 03:43 AM

Of course article submission is a very effective idea. The good thing is as you said you have a fine knowledge about photography so you can obviously convert it in text too which people should find interesting and informative.
It also helps you get backlinks which will make all the difference for your website.

**bzimage** · 02-13-2007, 08:33 AM

There are other threads about this, if you do a search you will see many threads!

Article Submissions:
An article submission is normally a technical article teaching others to do something that you are good at. We have written dozens related to SEO.

**astrojith** · 02-13-2007, 11:03 AM

No No No !! According to me, I consider article submission as a sin !! Article submission, in the sense that, submitting articles which can be copied by other bloggers and put on their blog with a link at the bottom.

You see, why would those bloggers take your content to feature in their blog ? The answer is simple. They're so lame that they can't write an article for themselves. So, if, by blogging, he's not trying to express himself, what is he trying to accomplish ? Build an MFA/spam site.

And, its not good karma to help the spam community. We should clog up the whole internet for our own benefit. And besides, what value would those link provide you ? You should know that quality beats quantity. So, why do you need some 10+ crap links ? Even worse, Google may recognize those sites as spam sites and that may affect your site's reputation and search engine position.

Traffic, well, might be larger from an article like this. But, who would need this crappy traffic which won't convert ? And, if you're thinking about Pagerank, think again boy, because its "so yesterday !!" Since Google has decided to move to personalized search, that means they're ditching pagerank. So, forget it boy !!

If you think I'm right or agree to me atleast in a narrow sense, please add talkupation.

**princess06** · 02-13-2007, 12:16 PM

i think it depends. if it didn't work the way you wanted it to be then it does not mean that it will not work for others as well. it's case to case basis.

as for me, article submission is good and help me to gain back links to my site and increase traffic as well.

**parusa619** · 02-13-2007, 03:41 PM

For Backlinks and traffic, yes. But sometimes it affect SERPs.

**Learning Newbie** · 02-13-2007, 03:55 PM

What is the difference between backlinks and serpas?

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-13-2007, 04:04 PM

Backlinks = number of inbound links to your site.

SERPs = Search Engine Results Page.

As far as this question is concerned, for you it might be worthwhile. Your topic of choice is relatively unique in terms of number of articles about it, and you write extremely well.

There are two things that may stop you:

1) The number of supporting images you use to illustrate your article points. They make complete sense in the context that you use them, but many ezines and article publication sites only accept articles in plain text.

2) The lack of ezines that cover photography-related topics. Most ezines tend to be business-related or web design-related. I haven't seen too many (read: any) photography ones.

If I were you, I would syndicate a "B" article and keep your "A" ones on your site. That way, you keep the unique content to yourself and if your "B" articles are good enough (which they should be...the garbage that gets published online nowadays is disgusting), you'll still gain some syndication benefits.

**vangogh** · 02-13-2007, 08:14 PM

I agree with Adam. Another option is to find sites on the topic that get a lot of traffic that also accept articles. You won't get as many links since the article ends up on one site only, but the links from the one site will probably end up being worth more than a lot of the generally low quality links you get submitting to an article directory.

**ForrestCroce** · 02-13-2007, 08:23 PM

Thanks for the complements! And for helping me think through this ... I had a feeling the number of images I use would be an issue. I'll have to think about concepts that can be explained without them, or with just one. I'm going to give this some thought, and see if I can come up with a good article to test with.

**ForrestCroce** · 02-13-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astrojith

You see, why would those bloggers take your content to feature in their blog ? The answer is simple. They're so lame that they can't write an article for themselves. So, if, by blogging, he's not trying to express himself, what is he trying to accomplish ? Build an MFA/spam site. And, its not good karma to help the spam community.

This is a really interesting take, and I can see your point. I was thinking more along the lines of sites that have plenty of good content, but run other takes on things now and then. But I guess once I click the submit button I won't have any control over that.

What do people think about this point?

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-13-2007, 09:48 PM

I think it's a good point and one of the reasons I suggested a "B" article. Take something that won't impact the future of your universe if it ends up on the front page of some MFA site.

**astrojith** · 02-14-2007, 07:15 AM

Well, if you're trying to make a point through a post, you should post it in your own blog. But if you're trying to get rich, then go on and submit articles. You should always know that its not right to do it.

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

If I were you, I would syndicate a "B" article and keep your "A" ones on your site. That way, you keep the unique content to yourself and if your "B" articles are good enough (which they should be...the garbage that gets published online nowadays is disgusting), you'll still gain some syndication benefits.

And, Adam, I think the 'B' option technique is a negative approach because if you've already decided to submit an article, why not submit the good article ? Atleast you're making those spammers spam good articles. You said :- "the garbage that gets published online nowadays is disgusting". So, how did those garbage get there ? Because other people also used the 'B' option technique.

Don't you think you're still promoting the spam community ? I think SEO and blogging are purely based on karma. So, don't you think this is bad karma ? Well, I do. Thats why I stay away from it. I think article submission is evil (yeah, evil) and if anyone considers my advice, don't do it.

**trichnosis** · 02-14-2007, 10:28 AM

article submission is used to increase your backlink quan***** . i have submitted many articles to many web sites but i did not get any traffic from that article site. i dont expect any trafffic from them too

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-14-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by astrojith

Well, if you're trying to make a point through a post, you should post it in your own blog. But if you're trying to get rich, then go on and submit articles. You should always know that its not right to do it.

And, Adam, I think the 'B' option technique is a negative approach because if you've already decided to submit an article, why not submit the good article ? Atleast you're making those spammers spam good articles. You said :- "the garbage that gets published online nowadays is disgusting". So, how did those garbage get there ? Because other people also used the 'B' option technique.

Don't you think you're still promoting the spam community ? I think SEO and blogging are purely based on karma. So, don't you think this is bad karma ? Well, I do. Thats why I stay away from it. I think article submission is evil (yeah, evil) and if anyone considers my advice, don't do it.

Normally, you'd be right. In this case, however, it is quite clear that ForrestCroce is an intelligent person and would be quite capable of writing a high-quality "B" article for distribution. In other words, a spammer would still be spamming a quality article.

**ForrestCroce** · 02-15-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

Normally, you'd be right. In this case, however, it is quite clear that ForrestCroce is an intelligent person and would be quite capable of writing a high-quality "B" article for distribution. In other words, a spammer would still be spamming a quality article.

Well, thanks for the complement!! The way I'm leaning is to keep the articles on my site, a lot because of the length, number of images, and javascript, but that anything I might put out with my name on it, has to be good, informative, and present me in a good light. I'm a perfectionist in general, but when it comes to making first impressions...

On that note, I've donated a handful of photos to the public under a creative commons (attribution) license. Like Adam suggests, I donate my B-list material, but only the stuff in that category that's above average. This one, below, I donated to Wikipedia for their Iron Horse State Park and Snoqualmie Pass articles ( two spots in the mountains about an hour from Seattle - this is where they cross ):

In exchange I get a nofollow link on a page most people won't see, and I get to show people who are interested why this is an amazing place. This is about the quality level I'm comfortable with giving out and having my name on. I would expect the same level of quality in any article I write, although it will be a lot harder to explain how aperture ( like when your pupils dilate or get really small ) affects how deep or shallow focus is without illustrations. I've been trying to think of topics that can be explained with only text.

**SeemsOk** · 02-15-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by trichnosis

article submission is used to increase your backlink quan***** . i have submitted many articles to many web sites but i did not get any traffic from that article site. i dont expect any trafffic from them too

so what are you expecting for?

**markov** · 02-15-2007, 05:02 AM

In the earlier days, article submission considered to be innovative idea to get traffic, but these days it has also slowed down.

**astrojith** · 02-15-2007, 06:14 AM

Well, submitting to Wikipedia is fine. You're not giving bait for spam. And, Wikipedia is a high quality site. But, never submit to article directories if you give any value to my advice. Not because I want to make my point win in the discussion. But, to somehow stop spam. I'm doing what I can for it and if everyone thinks this way, spam will go considerably low. I've blogged about this yesterday :- http://webmaster-dome.com/?p=112