SEO Tycoon

**grafx77** · 02-20-2007, 02:51 PM

I wanted to get a general census on what other individuals are doing when posting articles to article directories that are already posted on your website, so as to prevent the duplication filter from Google.

Anyone change a certain percentage of the article's (25-40%) content before posting out to directories, including title?

Anyone found an easier way of submitting articles to directories without having to worry about rewriting each article that was originally posted on your website?

**ArticleSniper** · 02-20-2007, 02:58 PM

I don't think I would worry too much about dup content with the article directories, after all, it's still a link back and a credit to you.

However, many people suggest that you should have 2 copies of any articles, keeping the better of the 2 on your site.

What's your expertise?

**grafx77** · 02-20-2007, 04:31 PM

I realize that this topic has been scrutinized to death among the SEO world, but in short, I do believe that you need to post 2 separate, but related articles. One for syndication and the other on your site.

This eliminates any guesswork from the equation. Anything above 40% uniqueness from my experience between articles being submitted should pass through a duplicate filter from the big G.

**astrojith** · 02-20-2007, 04:33 PM

You could've included an option like "I'm not stupid enough to go for this ****" because I'm in for it. I hate article submission because "Article Submission is Evil" !!

**Learning Newbie** · 02-20-2007, 04:39 PM

Well I don't do article marketing, but here's how I understand it.

Article marketing is a give and take. You give by writing quality content and allowing others to use it, and you take by getting links back. So already there's sort of a moral obligation to hold up your end of the bargain, and I think handing out duplicate content from your own site goes against the grain of that. Besides, it's harmful to your site and anyone who runs it.

But also, a webmaster has tens of thousands of articles to choose from, it's a "buyer's" market. So if you write bad ones, they might just sit on the shelf, even for free.

How would you make an article 25 % unique? Do you mean to go through and change every fourth word?

**grafx77** · 02-20-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

How would you make an article 25 % unique? Do you mean to go through and change every fourth word?

You would rewrite the article to revolve around the same topic and lessons, but use different words and paragraphs to express such. Changing every fourth word doesn't really give the visitor a "unique article" and can still be filtered out by Google as a duplicate.

**ForrestCroce** · 02-20-2007, 10:43 PM

If you rewrite the article, change the wording but stick to the same topics, how do you figure that makes the article 25-40 per cent unique? That sounds like two different articles to me. Even if they have the same general structure ( intro -> getting started -> step by step -> conclusion ), if they're written differently, that's what matters. Especially style - if you make pop culture references in one and not the other, something like that could make the difference between a reader understanding a concept, and not.

More importantly, on your own site you have control over how you present an article. On mine, I use lots of photos, javascript to swap some of them out, and sometimes downloadable Photoshop action files. The few articles I've written for other sites, which generally allow an image or two, no javascript. That forces plenty of changes in the text, eg I need to get rid of "in the three samples at right you'll see ..."

And anything with my name on it, I want to be unique and high quality, so I don't wind up repelling visitors instead of attracting them.

**grafx77** · 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

If you rewrite the article, change the wording but stick to the same topics, how do you figure that makes the article 25-40 per cent unique? That sounds like two different articles to me. Even if they have the same general structure ( intro -> getting started -> step by step -> conclusion ), if they're written differently, that's what matters. Especially style - if you make pop culture references in one and not the other, something like that could make the difference between a reader understanding a concept, and not.

More importantly, on your own site you have control over how you present an article. On mine, I use lots of photos, javascript to swap some of them out, and sometimes downloadable Photoshop action files. The few articles I've written for other sites, which generally allow an image or two, no javascript. That forces plenty of changes in the text, eg I need to get rid of "in the three samples at right you'll see ..."

And anything with my name on it, I want to be unique and high quality, so I don't wind up repelling visitors instead of attracting them.

The article can be rewritten to include various topics, highlights, and summaries that the original did not contain. Also rewriting every other sentence will do wonders as well. Going through an entire article and changing ever other word will not suffice and most importantly, your article will lose its readability.

If done properly, you can rewrite an article in about 15-20 minutes by just rephrasing every other sentence, changing up your 1st and 2nd paragraph, rewriting your summary, changing your title, and including or even excluding details onto what the original contained.

**vangogh** · 02-21-2007, 02:01 AM

I think it's easy enough to rewrite an article enough so it's not considered duplicate. I've rewritten articles by pretending one was a first draft for the other. I reworded some of the paragraphs, dropped others, and added some new ones. I didn't calculate the percentage of the change, but I'm not sure it's that important.

grafx77 I think you have the basic idea down. I would rewrite the articles so the one on your site is different from any you submit. Most of the article directories have a lot of links pointing to them and a lot of authority and usually articles submitted to them will appear on the SERPs as the page on the directory.

I don't think article directories are the great thing they were a year or two ago, but there's nothing wrong with submitting your 'B' articles to them.

A better approach though, would be to find some authority sites in your industry that accept article submissions and write the best article you can to submit to them. Any link you get from the authority site will probably be worth more than the dozens of links you end up getting from the directories.

You'll also likely get more direct traffic from the more widely read site as well as it granting you with a certain authority from the readers of the article on that site.

**grafx77** · 02-21-2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by vangogh

I think it's easy enough to rewrite an article enough so it's not considered duplicate. I've rewritten articles by pretending one was a first draft for the other. I reworded some of the paragraphs, dropped others, and added some new ones. I didn't calculate the percentage of the change, but I'm not sure it's that important.

grafx77 I think you have the basic idea down. I would rewrite the articles so the one on your site is different from any you submit. Most of the article directories have a lot of links pointing to them and a lot of authority and usually articles submitted to them will appear on the SERPs as the page on the directory.

I don't think article directories are the great thing they were a year or two ago, but there's nothing wrong with submitting your 'B' articles to them.

A better approach though, would be to find some authority sites in your industry that accept article submissions and write the best article you can to submit to them. Any link you get from the authority site will probably be worth more than the dozens of links you end up getting from the directories.

You'll also likely get more direct traffic from the more widely read site as well as it granting you with a certain authority from the readers of the article on that site.

I agree Vangogh. Getting an article posted to an authority site within your niche is worth 10X more than a standard article directory submission. Unfortunately, it is alot more difficult to get an authoritative site in your industry to post an article than it is to article directories. I guess anything worth having is worth working for. If this method was easy, I'm sure the SEs would discount its merit profusely.

Even exchanging articles with other similar niche sites (non-authoritative) can be a tremendous boost.

**chrishirst** · 02-21-2007, 09:32 AM

<comment type="nit-picking">
Can you get 25 - 40% unique ???

Unique is unique! </comment>

**Learning Newbie** · 02-21-2007, 05:18 PM

Chris - are you saying a woman can't be 25 % pregnant?

**chrishirst** · 02-22-2007, 05:59 AM

Definitely