SEO Tycoon

**goheadtry** · 11:44 PM

Is there a good way to increase seo on a domain like www.technologyforever.com without having a relevant with out having an as relevant site content I have a game site that is why I am wondering.
Even though games and technology relate will Google recognize this.

**ForrestCroce** · 03-04-2007, 01:13 AM

Google doesn't actually put that much emphasis on how "relevant" your links ( coming in from other sites ) are. Mine is a photography site, mainly landscape photography; I have links from sites dedicated to hiking trails, travel, and things that you would have to be an intelligent human ( as opposed to a robot spider ) to understand how they're related. The main reason relevance is important for links is, well, if I had a link from a Christina Agulerra fan site, no one would click, and I'd get no traffic. It would still help somewhat for floating my site up in the rankings, though, which is what SEO seems to mean.

A lot of people will suggest to start a "link building campaign," which can't hurt, and will help a small amount. Submit your site to directories, things like that. Any link you can build yourself won't help very much, but still, people love doing this. You can also put all the social media icons on your page ( "digg this" ).

But you really need content before you do all of this. If people see nothing but an empty forum, they're just going to leave, and your SEO efforts will be wasted. Put up some things to hold your visitors' attention, and the rest of SEO will be much easier.

**parusa619** · 03-08-2007, 04:32 PM

Build backlinks by article submission, press release, directories, and forum signature links.

To increase traffic, submit to free classifieds or social bookmarking sites. Good content and design of websites are also a good asset ifor traffic

**Janna122003** · 03-09-2007, 02:05 AM

You can also get your targeted visitors if you post to forums related to your site.

**Ar3d** · 03-09-2007, 04:30 AM

find also a potential link partners but make it sure that it is site related.. cheers

**sheena** · 03-09-2007, 06:53 AM

Promote site through posting of promotional ads to classifieds ads, article creation and article submission, press release, social bookmarking and forum posting

**Learning Newbie** · 03-09-2007, 03:41 PM

Sheena, I think normally that would be fantastic advice. Only, I had a look into GoHeadTry's posting history, and it's pretty clear he isn't willing to put in any work. Writing an article would be work, more than this guy is willing to do. Same as a press release ( which is a bad idea anyway when you don't have real news to report ). Basically, creating content is something GoHeadTry refuses to do.

**princess06** · 03-10-2007, 02:40 PM

^ well then i think he must start to love what he is not willing to do. IMO, in any website the most important thing is its content, having quality and good content can boost traffic for the site and at the same time love by SE's

**greenlush** · 03-10-2007, 04:19 PM

Purchase forum links with peaple with high posts on a forum
Purchase text links on high traffic sites (High traffic sites useually have good google pagerank and will also get you traffic to your site)
Submit to Digg, Stumpleupon and Delicious
Submit to directorys, i'v submitted to my site to over 9,000 directorys (Well i personally didnt, a 13year old Moldovan kid did for $100 Bargain!

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So yeah... Also Buy blog posts, thats a good idea

**solidghost** · 03-11-2007, 10:00 AM

9000 directories for 100?? Hmmm......

**kbtsup** · 03-11-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

A lot of people will suggest to start a "link building campaign," which can't hurt, and will help a small amount. Submit your site to directories, things like that. Any link you can build yourself won't help very much, but still, people love doing this.

Depends on where you put your links. Yahoo's $299/yr business just to publish a link in their directory wouldn't have existed and people wouldn't have to wait for ages to have their sites listed on DMOZ if site submission was that bad. Afterall, submitting to directories help expose your site to search engines and if done thoughtfully can help increase pagerank and generate indirect search engine traffics. Slow but it works.

**ForrestCroce** · 03-11-2007, 04:35 PM

That's kind of like saying if good diet and exercise were the key to diabetes, no one would be diabetic. The fact that Yahoo charges $300 for a link in their directory only means that's their going price.

I'm not saying directories have no value at all - if that were the case it'd be silly to recommend applying to them. They just have much value, either for PR ( because Google has devalued them, for obvious reasons ) or for traffic, because when was the last time you went looking for a site using a directory?

Imagine the two of us are in competition. You can pay Yahoo to add your link, and come out ahead ... until I fork over the $300, and now we're on even footing again. So you submit to all the directories, move ahead, then I submit to all the directories, and catch up. Then you create a web application in part of your site, that's incredibly cool, people love it, start emailing the URL to their friends and "hey check this out," bloggers mention you, and people start to digg your site. Or, if not a cool web app, something else that gets you the kind of links I can't easily get.

That keeps you ahead of the competition, and those are the types of links Google prefers.

**ADAM Web Design** · 03-12-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kbtsup

Depends on where you put your links. Yahoo's $299/yr business just to publish a link in their directory wouldn't have existed and people wouldn't have to wait for ages to have their sites listed on DMOZ if site submission was that bad. Afterall, submitting to directories help expose your site to search engines and if done thoughtfully can help increase pagerank and generate indirect search engine traffics. Slow but it works.

There are two problems I have with this statement:

1) It's biased (see your signature.)

2) It's wrong. Thoroughly, completely wrong.

The reason Yahoo! charges $299/year for a business listing is because it's a service offering. They charge for a review. That's it, that's all. Nothing more. The whole SEO idea, while it may be true, isn't part of Yahoo!'s logic and they never intended to fill that void.

Neither, for that matter, did DMOZ. DMOZ was, in theory, started as a way to organize and classify as many sites that deserved to be there (also in theory) as they possibly could in order to become the largest Internet directory out there.

Both of these directories were set up as...well, directories. The point of any directory submission isn't about PageRank (the most overblown SEO concept going right now), and it's not about "increasing search engine traffic". If you're submitting to directories for those reasons, you'll almost never get into anything worth being listed in (not that there's much left anymore anyway).

The SEO idea behind Yahoo! is a particularly stupid gamble, as it is for any paid directory. It's not a magic bullet to Page 1 for your keywords and phrases on every search engine, nor was it ever intended to be.

Let's look at this from another angle, so that we can all understand this better:

You're a marketing manager. Two of your brainiac young advertising buyers come up to you with two different ideas.

Idea 1: Purchase an ad spot on CNN.com for your website, which has the ability to track the traffic you can receive from the CNN.com advertiser control panel (side note: having never purchased such advertising, I have no idea if it actually exists or not, so this is hypothetical) and from the web stats we all have and use religiously. Total cost: $100,000.

Idea 2: Purchase a TV ad spot on CNN just after Wolf Blitzer comes on, and assume any increase in website traffic is due to that ad, even though you've done a bunch of other things to market your site. Total cost: $100,000.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather know what traffic I'd be getting from my investment (Idea 1) than to speculate or guess as to what type of increase I'd be getting without any real way to track it (Idea 2).

Idea 1 parallel: getting a directory listing to increase traffic DIRECTLY to one's site, to the point where the directory listing becomes profitable in and of itself, search engines or not.

Idea 2 parallel: getting a directory listing under the assumption that increased search engine traffic will occur as the result of these links.

In other words, if you MUST buy links...buy them with a mind toward direct ROI that can easily enough be tracked, NOT strictly for SEO reasons.

**kbtsup** · 04-08-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

There are two problems I have with this statement:
1) It's biased (see your signature.)
2) It's wrong. Thoroughly, completely wrong.

1) Maybe but let me put it in this way it is a calculated and founded belief. Site submissions i.e. link buildings are crucial to your overall SEO strategies and should not be overlooked.

2) I like not to use absolute terms to justify an opinion. Nothing can be "completely" right or wrong. It is pointless to discuss when belief is such acute

(btw, the signature is not about just directory but about a general purpose submission tool including article, press release, blogs, serach engines, personal info, classifieds etc.)

regards

**ForrestCroce** · 04-08-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kbtsup

2) I like not to use absolute terms to justify an opinion. Nothing can be "completely" right or wrong. It is pointless to discuss when belief is such acute

Sometimes absolutes are appropriate, sometimes they're not. Never using them, and saying "nothing" can be completely wrong is an absolute itself.

2 + 2 = 7 is completely, unarguably wrong.

**chrishirst** · 04-08-2007, 04:56 PM

Chasing links is not crucial to any SEO strategy, useful, yes and neccessary to start a site off wih SEs, but it is not the be all and end all of SEO.

**willcode4beer** · 04-09-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

The reason Yahoo! charges $299/year for a business listing is because it's a service offering. They charge for a review. That's it, that's all. Nothing more.

Adam, I'd argue they charge that because people are willing to pay it.

**kbtsup** · 04-09-2007, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

Sometimes absolutes are appropriate, sometimes they're not. Never using them, and saying "nothing" can be completely wrong is an absolute itself.

2 + 2 = 7 is completely, unarguably wrong.

I intend "nothing" to mean "no belief system" not to mean mathematics. Even then the statement is not free of some absoluteness, I acknowledge that and appreciate your logic.

However, my statement is a kind of belief also, so according to itself, it can't be "completely" right.

Philosophy aside, the whole point was about link building. Again look at our signatures.