SEO Tycoon

**travelagent** · 03-31-2007, 10:02 AM

astrojith - you're not advertising validation; merely fixing your code so that your site displays properly in all browsers with valid code.

Unless you design your own Blog from scratch, I wouldn't be too concerned; it's up to the Blog owners to validate their own code - but, in the real world of "Blogger" ... "Wordpress" and many others, they're slowly coming around to validation, which is why I and many others normally don't bother looking at Blog coding.

Should you create your own design, use "HTML Tidy" to validate your design.

**damien_ls** · 03-31-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FindMyPages

I can pretty much say that most of fortune 100 web sites are not 100% XHTML validated, but they do work and work well. From the CIO or CEO's view, they just care about if the site is up and generate $$ for them. They don't really care about the validation.

I certainly agree that many fortune 100 web sites don't validate. However, often the reason for this is that they're using some (perhaps proprietary) CMS.

With regards to the CIO/CEO not caring, again I expect this is true in most cases, but there are good reasons why this may be/is changing:

Section 508 / UK DDA legislation
Poor accessibility reduces their potential market/reach from their e-marketing activies

If the CIO/CEO is made aware of either of these potential issues arising from non-validating code, they are far more likely to pay attention and "care" about it

Obviously it remains for additional education of some CIO/CEOs...

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Originally Posted by travelagent

Should you create your own design, use "HTML Tidy" to validate your design.

Or W3C - http://validator.w3.org/

**ChickenCamels** · 04-01-2007, 03:15 AM

A while back there was a SEO theory that if you place a link to W3C validation that your trust rank would increase - probably because W3C is a good website and had nothing to do with the actual validation page.

Validation is always something to strive for. It will help your pages show better in cross browsers and things like the alt attribute will help when images don't show up and also possibly SEO purposes.

**astrojith** · 04-02-2007, 02:43 AM

But sometimes I use tables for making my designs. But, now, I moved to CSS and always put an external stylesheet for the work. Is the usage of tables for design wrong practice ? I mean, would I get validated for that ?

**chrishirst** · 04-02-2007, 05:41 AM

http://www.webmaster-talk.com/html-f...tml#post374875

**bzimage** · 12:35 PM

www.w3c.com is a good way to check

**travelagent** · 04-03-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theseokit

www.w3c.com is a god way to check

Huh?

**bzimage** · 04-03-2007, 12:35 PM

Haha thanks for catching that Sir, changed to good!

**willcode4beer** · 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by travelagent

validated code is highly important right now, as the behind-the-scenes news say's within the next 3 - 5 years, those sites that don't validate in all SE's will eventually be dropped from their index.

Do you mean Google is going to drop themselves from the index?
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com

**travelagent** · 04-03-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by willcode4beer

Do you mean Google is going to drop themselves from the index?
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...F%2Fgoogle.com

LOL Paul -- I doubt that!

**FindMyPages** · 04-04-2007, 01:09 AM

I have spent hours trying to get my pages 100% XHTML validated. I have fixed most of my pages.

Now I am running into issues with nested <ol><li> tags on my terms.php pages.

Can some one check this page for me? and tell me how I can fix it.

http://www.findmypages.com/terms.php

http://validator.w3.org/

validation link:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...om%2Fterms.php

Thanks!

**FindMyPages** · 04-04-2007, 01:16 AM

After hours correcting my page to make it 100% XHTML validated. I found it actually render the page faster. Cool.

I thought the table tags are not valid XHTML tags? If they are valid XHTML tags, why people are doing CSS tableless layout?

Any specific reason other than easier to move around? I find it now easy way to move it around, because you will end up nested <div> tags.

tableless layout will be my next tasks ...

Thanks whoever's help here!

**travelagent** · 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FindMyPages

I have spent hours trying to get my pages 100% XHTML validated. I have fixed most of my pages.

Now I am running into issues with nested <ol><li> tags on my terms.php pages.

Can some one check this page for me? and tell me how I can fix it.

http://www.findmypages.com/terms.php

http://validator.w3.org/

validation link:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...om%2Fterms.php

Thanks!

Now you can see why I keep repeating myself over and over, telling people that the w3 validator is a piece of crap, in that it not only doesn't find the correct errors, it also doesn't tell you "where" the errors are, nor how to fix them!

You actually only have 2 errors involving the <li> tag, and here's where the 2 problems occur in your code:

<ol>
<li>FindMyPages.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, page links, images, photos, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post to the FindMyPages.com Services. After posting your Content to the FindMyPages.com Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose.</li></ol>

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<ol>
<li> FindMyPages.com may delete any Content that in the sole judgment of FindMyPages.com violates this Agreement or which may be offensive, illegal or violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of any person. FindMyPages.com assumes no responsibility for monitoring the FindMyPages.com Services for inappropriate Content or conduct. If at any time FindMyPages.com chooses, in its sole discretion, to monitor the FindMyPages.com Services, FindMyPages.com nonetheless assumes no responsibility for the Content, no obligation to modify or remove any inappropriate Content, and no responsibility for the conduct of the User submitting any such Content.</li>

<li> You are solely responsible for the Content that you post on or through any of the FindMyPages.com Services, and any material or information that you transmit to other Members and for your interactions with other Users. FindMyPages.com does not endorse and has no control over the Content. Content is not necessarily reviewed by FindMyPages.com prior to posting and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of FindMyPages.com.

FindMyPages.com makes no warranties, express or implied, as to the Content or to the accuracy and reliability of the Content or any material or information that you transmit to other Members.</li></ol>

**willcode4beer** · 04-04-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FindMyPages

I thought the table tags are not valid XHTML tags? If they are valid XHTML tags, why people are doing CSS tableless layout?

They are perfectly valid.
The thing is think, tables for tabular data.

I think most people use CSS for layout because its faster, easier, creates smaller (ie faster loading) pages, is easier to index (ie seach engines), and is easier to change.
For instance, my page on rarely used html tags, has a common design thing, some header, a left nav, and a content body. By placing each component in a div, and using CSS to position, I can change the entire layout of my site by editing one CSS file.
Notice the navigation tabs (both top and left), just simple lists. By changing the CSS, I could change the left nav from vertical to horizontal, and move it to the top as a secondary top nav. To add a new entry, I can simply add a new list item, no need to play with table rows.
With a table, you are thinking about how to manipulate a table to give you a desired layout, rowspans and colspans. With CSS, you just think about where you want a thing to be and what its size should be once its there.
Make left nav x wide, and stick it on the left x from the top. Make the content pane x wide and position it x from the left and x from the top.
yada, yada, yada

**FindMyPages** · 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by travelagent

Now you can see why I keep repeating myself over and over, telling people that the w3 validator is a piece of crap, in that it not only doesn't find the correct errors, it also doesn't tell you "where" the errors are, nor how to fix them!

You actually only have 2 errors involving the <li> tag, and here's where the 2 problems occur in your code:

Found the problems. Fixed! Now I am 100% XHTML validated.

Found the following link, perfectly explain how nested <li> and <ol> tags work together.
http://drupal.org/node/121871

TravelAgent! Thank you so very much!

**travelagent** · 04-04-2007, 09:19 PM

FindMyPages -- you're welcome and I'm glad it all worked out for you!