SEO Tycoon

**montyauto** · 03-25-2007, 11:57 PM

It's been noticed that over recent months Google is taking up to 2 months to give PageRank to new sites.

Are you also awaring about?

**stOx** · 03-26-2007, 12:16 AM

toolbar PR is updated only a few times a year (about 3).

**yellow1912** · 03-26-2007, 12:16 AM

These guys here teach me how google PR is not that important, so I don't really care about it now. Now I spend time creating good content instead ^^.

**ADAM Web Design** · 03-26-2007, 01:22 AM

Sweet, we have a learner! Good stuff, yellow1912!

PageRank is updated all the time...internally (this is what big G sees). Externally, it's only updated 3-4 times a year (that's the number we see in the toolbar).

As long as your site isn't banned and you're getting decent inbound links from places that send you actual traffic, that's all that really matters. PageRank is one of those things that is only obsessed by those who generally don't have much in the way of actual content and think inbound links are the universal SEO solvent (which they aren't.)

**sheena** · 03-26-2007, 04:06 AM

Google update page rank every three months. If your site is new and see them in the index that is the better indication
of trust than just like pagerank score . I always check the cache dates of sites worked on as an indicator of when changes I made to a site would be updated in the index.

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Originally Posted by montyauto

It's been noticed that over recent months Google is taking up to 2 months to give PageRank to new sites.

Are you also awaring about?

**Ar3d** · 03-26-2007, 06:19 AM

well, as fas as i know in at least in 3 months, just like in this month it will have a changes to PR..

**BruceWayne** · 03-26-2007, 08:24 AM

Lets wait, i think this mid April

**bzimage** · 03-26-2007, 11:25 AM

April 22nd I hope

it was jan 22nd for me.

**princess06** · 03-26-2007, 01:04 PM

2 months? for some, it takes up to 3 months for their PR's to be updated

**dingdans** · 03-28-2007, 10:50 PM

As what i know the google update in every 3 months...They said that google update in month of march but as i search google update in the middle of april i think...!!!!!

**FlashPixels** · 04-03-2007, 08:42 AM

I dont understand what is so good about PageRank anyway. why do link exchange people go fo looking PR3 of higher?

**bzimage** · 04-03-2007, 09:05 AM

Its a gimmick really, people dont understand that the pagerank means nothing to the serps.

**chrishirst** · 04-03-2007, 04:14 PM

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why do link exchange people go fo looking PR3 of higher

Because they have been conditioned into believing it.

Ask them and the only answer you get is "for the PR"

They have NO IDEA that the real value of linking is in the anchor text, so they carry on blindly getting useless links with useless anchors and think that being top for a 5 word phrase that nobody but them is searching for is really good SEO.

**bzimage** · 04-03-2007, 04:43 PM

Tough Love but so true

**gatesix** · 04-06-2007, 12:25 AM

Yes, u r right

**Twas** · 04-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Working in the SEO field for years and on hundreds of sites around the world one finds that PR really does count. I will argue with anyone about it actually.

Yes there are many variables involved up and above PR, but the fact of the matter is very basic.

Here are some examples for someone that is looking for links to point into their site. We are not talking about artificially developed PR sites.

1. PR is the easiest thing to check to determine the quality in the eyes of Google of a site. (Note: Just look at it first, though it does not mean that you want a link from them.)

2. A high PR site can rank 90% of any keyword phrases without backlinks. (Note: Try ranking a keyword on a PR0-PR2 or 3 site with no backlinks)

3. High PR on a site also means that it has few or no filters that restrict it in ranking. Such as some duplicate penalties, time filters, keyword density, and more.

4. A PR6 link of similar content linking to your page is like having 10 to 1,000 low quality links (low PR, new sites, sites with few incoming links, etc.) pointing into your site.

5. If PR means nothing than why will someone pay up to $20,000 or more per day to have a link off a PR9 or PR10 site. Must mean something.

6. If PR meant nothing then one could say that a PR0 page with 10,000 related incoming links would be a good page to link with in many cases. Well it is not in most cases and in some cases it can destroy the page in which it points to.

7. It is the fastest method to find out what Google (the really important engine) thinks of the site. Yes, I know there are many other things to look at.

8. What sells for the most? A 10 page blog about baseball that is a PR8 or one that is a PR2? Both get 10k uniques a day. Interesting, PR rules the boards.

9. PR is the largest full scope view for the webmaster with little experience, and that is most of the webmasters on the planet.

10. If PR had no value, then why do 90% of the so called SEO people have some form of a Google PR Tool bar and why do many of the site resellers include the PR of sites when selling?

Statement to clear what I have said. PR is important, but only if you know what real PR is, how it is created and how much it actually applies to what you are trying to do with it. There are hundreds of things behind determining what is good and what is bad to Google. But one thing is for sure. A PR10 is worth millions more than a PR0 if not made that way using BHSEO techniques.

Yes, I'm rubbing some feathers the wrong way.

**gringo** · 04-08-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Twas

Working in the SEO field for years and on hundreds of sites around the world one finds that PR really does count.

Evidently this kind of background doesn't guarantee that you know what you are talking about.

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2. A high PR site can rank 90% of any keyword phrases without backlinks.

How on earth can a page have a high PR with no backlinks? Also, it's pages, not sites that have PR.

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3. High PR on a site also means that it has few or no filters that restrict it in ranking. Such as some duplicate penalties, time filters, keyword density, and more.

High PR pages are subject to the same duplicate content filters as low PR pages.

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4. A PR6 link of similar content linking to your page is like having 10 to 1,000 low quality links (low PR, new sites, sites with few incoming links, etc.) pointing into your site.

A 'PR6 link' tells you nothing of its value. Are there a million other outbound links on this page?

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5. If PR means nothing than why will someone pay up to $20,000 or more per day to have a link off a PR9 or PR10 site. Must mean something.

As Chris said earlier, conditioning. And also a lot of people want easy, quick fixes where they don't have to think too much. Enter 'high PR links'.

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7. It is the fastest method to find out what Google (the really important engine) thinks of the site. Yes, I know there are many other things to look at.

No, it's one way of gauging on a relative scale how many links a particular page had maybe 3 months ago. Toolbar PR vs real PR etc. Has nothing to do with what Google 'thinks' of a page, it's purely an arithmetic function.

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10. If PR had no value, then why do 90% of the so called SEO people have some form of a Google PR Tool bar and why do many of the site resellers include the PR of sites when selling?

See answer to point 5.

I think PR plays a part in Google's algo, but I think a lot of people overestimate its importance.

Anyway, welcom to WT Twas!

**ForrestCroce** · 04-08-2007, 05:13 PM

Just to clear up a bit of logic here, a sarcastic question: If car accidents are so deadly and painful, then why do so many people get into them every year?

The fact that people are willing to pay for a link from a high PR page proves PR is important as much as my example proves car wrecks are fun. ( And I've been in a few - they're not. )

It's true a high PR page gets to pass on more link juice than a low PR page, but you have to divide that among all the outbound links on that page. And if someone is using PR to sell links, there are probably quite a few of them. The more I learn about SEO, the more I learn PR is a distraction.