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Old 06-24-2007, 10:15 PM SEO factors for local photographer rankings?
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I am just learning about this fascinating topic this year since I attempted to help a couple of friends post ads for their local services in Craigslist.

I have been amazed and appalled at how poorly each were located (and not located at all!) on web searches. I'm still rather puzzled about exactly what factors are at play and would be very grateful for any insights.

Example one...after clicking my friend's site a number of times in the course of writing text for a CL ad for him, I inadvertantly bumped him up to a number one ranking if one searches by "(local town) photography." His is still holding the number two position 3 months later behind only Kinkos/Fedex in one search and a local camera shop in another.

But! He did not actually have the word "photographer" anywhere to be found on his website! So any search of "town photographer" yielded nothing! Except his Craigslist ad somewhere down the line because I used that word in his text!

I got him to contact his web designer and add that word and now he ranks well in Google in both searches for the local town we are in.

However, his Yahoo ranking still sucks big time! For "town photography" his Yahoo ranking is #14 but if you enter "town photographer" he is hovering around 118. I know Yahoo using a totally different set of factors but that's a big spread! (I also just noticed that the word photography is missing the second "p" on Yahoo's search page! ????) Any ideas on why such a gap and what he could do about it?

here are the keywords he is using in his metatags;
his name, name of town, name of county, portraits, name of studio, events, weddings, special occasions, commercial, landscapes, gallery, events, senior portraits">

ps...he has very little text on his site but 5 or 6 very nice galleries...if he added an interview with mention of local towns, etc would that be helpful? Or does he need more backlinks?
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Old 06-24-2007, 11:33 PM Re: SEO factors for local photographer rankings?
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It sounds like you have a Google account of some type, and personal search turned on? That's the only way that I know of to explain how clicking on his site would float it up in the results. I don't think other people would see that.

More than anything else, search engines use the quality and number of links pointing at any particular page to decide how important that page is. If those links have actual text in them, instead of just the URL, that text is treated like it's actually on the page, and given special consideration. Text in the page title is also weighted much more than regular text on the page. On the other hand, the keywords meta tag is ignored by all major search engines.

While there's a Google Images, and Yahoo has something pretty similar, it uses more or less the same text based algorithms as the regular web search. You enter text to search on, and they return a list of images they think are relevant answers to your query. Beautiful galleries on their own will be very difficult to rank, but if your friend can be talked into writing a description for each photo, that will give the search engines something to chew on. I come up in searches for the locations a lot of my photos were shot in because of this.

Have a look at these few pages below - sorry to "drop links" in your thread, but it sounds like my site is a great deal like your friend's. I'm a photographer, have several galleries online, but I've done what I can to make the site friendly to search engines and people both.

http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/Glaci...Waterfall.html
http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/SunsetInYellowstone.html
http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/Daddys-Little-Girl.html

I've advertised portrait services on the local Craigslist, and it can bring customers. But it won't affect where you come up in the search results. Of course the whole reason to want good search placement is to find customers, so if that's working for him, that's ultimately what matters.

People will give you much better advice if you post the URL; otherwise this is all pretty general. But it sounds like adding text to the pages the photos live on would help you a great deal. A lot of people think adding your site to directories will help your search placement. I'm not sure if many of them really do, but if you use free listings, it might be worth half an hour of your time. http://www.photoclicks.net/ is a photography directory, and seems to send a good amount of traffic compared to most directories. A lot of people swear by writing and syndicating articles, in your case about photography technique, and syndicating them. If you put a few links into an article that gets picked up on different sites, that can help your ranking for any keywords in the anchor text of those links.

This won't affect your search ranking, but your friend might want to consider sending a few examples of his work to stock houses. That can introduce him to new customers who may wnid up seeking him out for more work if they like his style. http://www.zemostock.com/ is run by one of the moderators here. There's also Alamy and iStockPhoto.

Finally, it's probably not ideal to copy text directly from one site into another, Craigslist or something else.
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:12 PM Re: SEO factors for local photographer rankings?
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Thanks a lot for your extensive reply, Forrest. I actually checked out your site yesterday when I was posting and tried to send you a private email but I'm not yet permitted to do so.

No Google accounts that I'm aware of. I figured I bumped his site just by clicking on it so many times over the course of the weekend. (probably clicked it easily 40 or 50 times. I don' think he had that much traffic in the entire previous 3 year the site was up! I also suspect the backlinks (2-one for general and one for lessons) from Craigslist helped his ranking alot.

You do some really beautiful work. Does having how-to articles on your site boost your ranking? Do you have any Craigslist ads? (Don't expect any local business to be generated but it does provide those extra backlinks...)

Here's his url and the urls of some of the ads I helped him with....I created all the new text in the Craigslist ads...he simply doesn't have any text on his site! I didn't post them with the original post as I didn't know if it was appropriate...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/lss/359619047.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/evs/359618864.html
http://www.studio7photo.com/gallery.htm

Thanks again for the numerous tips---I'll go back over your reply a few more times and read it more in depth but I wanted to get a quick thanks over to you for your response.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:51 PM Re: SEO factors for local photographer rankings?
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I think you need around 20 posts to be able to send a private message. I'll shoot you a PM if you can receive them, with my email address in case any more questions come up, although asking in here, you'll get a lot of good advice from other people ... who tend to know a lot more than I do about search engines.

The way I look at articles is that they don't improve my ranking for existing pages, but they make my site come up in searches I would have missed out on without them. Plenty of traffic for things like "how to Photoshop black and white" or "make a portrait soft focus." The articles tend to work better as link bait than normal pages; I have links from forums in several different languages I can't understand, pointing at my articles, to go along with photos someone else is posting. Now, the goal is for people to find my site through the articles, and then go look at the photos ... if they learn a neat trick and then leave, it doesn't help me all that much. Although it does help get my name out.

I lived in Bernal Heights for a few years. The San Francisco Craigslist expires ads after seven days, so you can create a temporary link, but it's going to vanish pretty quickly. Those won't help much or at all with search engine ranking. I haven't advertised on CL in a while, but I've done a number of portraits there. Again, it can bring good traffic, people who are interested in buying a specific print or having something photographed as a service, it just doesn't help SEO.

On the other hand, you can go to http://www.aboutus.org/ForrestCroce.com and create a listing pretty easily, and the same with other directories. These are low quality links, but maybe better than not having them. I'd also look into http://www.photosig.com/go/photos; you can upload a photo to be critiqued by the community, and you're allowed to put a link in the photo's description. They use pop-ups, though - I have a blocker, so it doesn't bother me, but buyer beware...

You should watermark the photos you post on Craigslist, or your friend should. That comes from personal experience, someone grabbed some of my portraits, put them on MySpace, and claimed to have shot them. On a PC, holding down alt and typing out 0169 on the numeric keypad gets you a copyright symbol.

It sounds like your friend does photo safaris, or guided tours, in addition to more normal stuff like weddings? If that's the case, typing out what he looks for in an imgae, and what it was about a subject that attracted him to set up the camera and hit the shutter would help in a couple of ways. Apart from just giving GoogleBot more content to chew on, that would also show viewers ( aka potential customers ) that he knows what he's talking about and makes a good teacher. I try to put a couple of paragraphs about the day I shot an image, why I composed it the way I did, a little about the location, and some general background info. Sometimes I get lazy and come up with something too short, but I at least try to touch on those things, and plan to go back over the site and fill all of this in. But for the pages / photos I've done this, people find me for searches I would never have thought about. "Yosemite in December," "Canon 5D ISO 3200," "16-35 L night landscape" and others. Obviously they aren't very competitive if I come up for this stuff without optimizing for it, but that's traffic I didn't have to plan or work for, and on the pages I want people to see. This isn't what you asked, but I've found people who come into my site on a page hosting a photo are likely to click around and visit other pages, but people who land on a gallery are less likely to stick around. A friend of mine once told me she just looks at the thumbnails and that's enough for her.

Oh, and thanks about my photos!
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