SEO Tycoon

**Kushal** · 06-28-2007, 07:14 AM

Which is the best way to make the title of the index page?

This is the website of Rug and Pashmina manufacturer so I have made the title of the site like this:
Tibetan Rugs manufacturer::Nepal Carpet::Tibetan Carpet::Nepal Pashmina::Manufacturer::Exporter::Timilsina Industries
I have separated these word with :: is this good for SEO?
Is there any other way to make the title containing of all these words?

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 11:52 AM

^ That is a really bad way to go about it, mainly because there are too many keywords which google can consider as keyword spam.

The title should always contain the name of the website, after you describe the page you're viewing.

So if I'm viewing a page about Nepal Carpet it should appear:
Nepal Carpet - Tibetan Rugs Manufacturer

K.I.S.S

**Vasity** · 06-28-2007, 12:09 PM

I don't agree with this at all...My title for TMW is Mafia Game because that's the proper keyword get some meta tags...

make the site 1 keyword try to focus more on one specific keyword then trying to take a lot.

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 12:15 PM

What aren't you agreeing with?

I think it's better practice to use your domain name in the title, as opposed to another title (eg: Mafia Game) but that doesn't mean you can't replace the domain name with the title of what you created for your website.

So long as you ONLY describe the page your viewing (eg: site name - contact us) and not throw in a bunch of keywords that are meant to be places under a meta tag.

**Learning Newbie** · 06-28-2007, 01:14 PM

<title>Keyword Stuffing Spam Gets You Banned Google :: Keyword Spam Over Optimized Keyword</title>

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 01:20 PM

^ That's when having a website listed in the title will differentiate between the site's title, and the description of the page being viewed.

Is keyword stuffing spam gets you banned google the website title, or the description for the page being viewed?

**Vasity** · 06-28-2007, 01:21 PM

Yes I rank very high for the phrase Mafia Game =)

as well as Online Mafia game...

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 01:28 PM

Why are you answering yes to a question that was never asked?

The point is using an appropriate and descriptive site name OR the actual domain (eg: domain.com).

I use atourworst.org in my title, and I rank #1 in SE. It just proves that you can have a domain name, and a website title in the title of a page, and still rank high in SE.

**zagu060807** · 06-28-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushal

Which is the best way to make the title of the index page?

This is the website of Rug and Pashmina manufacturer so I have made the title of the site like this:
Tibetan Rugs manufacturer::Nepal Carpet::Tibetan Carpet::Nepal Pashmina::Manufacturer::Exporter::Timilsina Industries
I have separated these word with :: is this good for SEO?
Is there any other way to make the title containing of all these words?

Hmmm, just use comma for separating two or more products, just like putting simple sentences.

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 03:01 PM

nononono! You do not want to use spammy keywords in your title.

You should ONLY use a keyword/description that describes that page you're currently on (assuming that your title bar changes to reflect the page it's on.)

You want to set it up as such:
either:
site name - current page description

OR

current page description - site name

**ForrestCroce** · 06-28-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Riane

The point is using an appropriate and descriptive site name OR the actual domain (eg: domain.com).

I don't think having the actual URL or domain in the title helps your users, which is the first concern, or your search visibility. People really don't search for a URL very often; if they know it, that goes into the address bar, unless that goes to the wrong site. And www.Example.com doesn't look great in the title, since the www. and .com parts are really only for resolving to a particular server and site.

Text in the title carries more "weight" than in the body text, because they're supposed to briefly identify or describe the page. If I'm a software developer, and do a search for "Thread has been aborted" I don't want to see results about how quad-core laptops are coming but people think there isn't enough multi-threaded software, "thread" listed in the page text ... but I do want to see a page titled "Responding to ThreadAbort Exceptions," even if the body text never uses the word thread, but instead talks about callbacks, mutexes, semaphores, and all that boring but necessary detail.

I don't know the exact definition of keyword stuffing or spam in the title, but then I really don't care as long as my pages don't count. A title doesn't have to be a well-formed English sentence. You don't have to put glue words like if, a, or the, punctuation, or even a verb, into your title string. On the other hand, when I'm working on my site, I have this gut feeling it probably isn't a good idea to use the same word twice in a page title. For one, it just looks bad, and I don't want to give the impression I'm a bad writer. Also, it just seems like that might trigger some type of flag in an algorithm somewhere.

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 03:25 PM

When I said domain name I referenced domain.com, not http://www.domain.com or www.domain.com.

I currently use atourworst.org in the titles of all of my pages, and yes, it does help when it comes to SEO.

I have it set up as:
atourworst.org » iTunes XHTML Playlist

Some people recommend putting the site's content description first then title, but i would rather not lose ranking since my pages have been formatted that way for awhile.

But go ahead and trying searching iTunes XHTML Playlist, and see what results you find...

That and.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...atourworst.org

**gsmile** · 06-28-2007, 03:31 PM

"Domain.com - Description" is better than "Domain.com » Description". (Unless you use WordPress CMS)

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 03:36 PM

Can you show me an article that differentiates the use of a dash versus the raquo.

Yes, I use Wordpress, but I specified the use of raquo, as I prefer that over the dash.

**Learning Newbie** · 06-28-2007, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riane

I currently use atourworst.org in the titles of all of my pages, and yes, it does help when it comes to SEO.

How do you know this? Have you done side by side testing with two identical sites with identical link profiles, or is that a hunch?

**Learning Newbie** · 06-28-2007, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsmile

"Domain.com - Description" is better than "Domain.com » Description". (Unless you use WordPress CMS)

Why? I think when you do a search, Google strips out the dash character. And most people can't type the other one.

**Vasity** · 06-28-2007, 03:55 PM

Well. I have done tests it does help better to have "keyword" instead of domain name...because in the search engines u should already have your domain name kw np unless its compeitive, and then u still even have a decent chance then with some back links.

**Riane** · 06-28-2007, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

How do you know this? Have you done side by side testing with two identical sites with identical link profiles, or is that a hunch?

Anyway, my method helps because it not only contains "atourworst.org," but it also provides a website+title when people bookmark it elsewhere. This also increases the usage and appearance of atourworst.org through searches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Why? I think when you do a search, Google strips out the dash character. And most people can't type the other one.

Why what? The raquo is used to visually separate between the website's name (atourworst.org) and the webpages content (the title description.)

Why would it matter if people can't "type the other out," because it's simply used to distinguish the two apart. It's not there for people to use in their searches. They're searching for what's contained in the content, and if my site appears, they'll see "atourworst.org » content description."

I just want to read something more tangible in regards to using a dash versus raquo; as opposed to you thinking that Google does something, and that people can't type it out...

**Vasity** · 06-28-2007, 04:02 PM

It has improved my Search Engine Ranking. changing it to the keyword I had already ranked on, as well as adding the keyword more in my site descritpion.

**stOx** · 06-28-2007, 04:27 PM

Make the title what it is, A title.

If the page is about grooming long haired dogs, Put that as the title.
If the page is about ways to get wine stains out of carpets, Put that as the title.

Think what people might search if they wanted to find that page and that information, And use that as the title.