SEO Tycoon

**cathyre** · 08-21-2007, 10:35 AM

Hai everybody,

Can anybody suggest me how to establish my site in google serp?

**babychicken4u2** · 08-21-2007, 11:52 AM

There are some very basic things that are most helpful to help your site rank. I would start by creating a Google sitemap and registering for Google's webmasters tools to submit it. You need to have a great deal of textual content on your pages for the spider to read. I would then suggest using a density tool to crawl your page without the Meta included to generate a list of the most dense words to formulate your title and description tags. The title tag is the most crucial and will be given the most weight. Then go back in to your page and add or edit existing heading tags to include some of the terms from your title and description tags. Take care not to stuff these keywords in to your document or tags, make them flow so they can be read naturally. If you are using a flash or java menu, then you will need to add hyperlinks for each of the pages, most likely in the footer of the document. Spiders cannot read flash and java menus to follow your pages out. I would then you create a robots.txt for your site and include your sitemap in it. Then you might find some healthy directories to submit your site too. Take care to use variations of your dense words list for the titles and descriptions, so they are not all the same...this will be more effective. Read each directions guidelines carefully as they will have rules about length and format of the listing elements.

There is much more to the SEO of a web site, this is just a basic "get started" kind of list for you. I would suggest you get your reading glasses and and read about server canonical issues, duplication and the supplimental index, page load speed and image reducing, and linking guidelines for Google.

Good Luck
--Melanie

**infogle** · 08-21-2007, 12:20 PM

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**gringo** · 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by babychicken4u2

I would then suggest using a density tool to crawl your page without the Meta included to generate a list of the most dense words to formulate your title and description tags.

This sounds a bit backwards to me.

Surely you know what your title and description are before you start writing? You certainly don't need a keyword density tool to tell you what your content was about (and what your title and desc should be). You should know what keywords you are targeting (if you are targeting any keywords) as you are writing. Not wait until after you've written it to find out.

I wouldn't bother creating a sitemap unless you have some issues that would stop a spider from crawling your pages. If you do, just fix the issues. As for robots.txt - I wouldn't use one unless I wanted to prevent spiders from crawling certain pages of my site.

I never bother with sitemaps, robots.txt or any other tools and strangely I do pretty well for traffic. If you write your content with a clear, logical structure (good usability has a knock effect on SEO), that will help.

This is an interesting read to get you started: http://www.highrankings.com/forum/in...?showtopic=833

**babychicken4u2** · 08-21-2007, 02:09 PM

What I described is organic link baiting, and its also very effective for serps....and yes you should start with content. The engines are looking for the densest and most important words, not what you think you page is about.

Every site should have a Google sitemap especially if you are targeting Google serps, as the poster is.

And...if you don't even want to protect say, for example your cgi-bin? Or login files? Your sitemap should be in a robots.txt, it is the currently supported protocol. It will result is a better crawl especially for larger sites, and we d not know the size of the poster's site.

When I give advice on such a matter like sitemaps and robots.txt I am going to try to give the most up to date an proven method. Which sitemaps and robots.txt are. You may not agree, but the poster did not reveal what kind of site they are asking about. If that site has a blog, forum or other similar interface a robots and sitemap are crucial to prevent duplication issues.

--Melanie

**ForrestCroce** · 08-21-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gringo

As for robots.txt - I wouldn't use one unless I wanted to prevent spiders from crawling certain pages of my site.

I have an empty robots.txt file to prevent a bunch of 404s.

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Originally Posted by babychicken4u2

Every site should have a Google sitemap especially if you are targeting Google serps, as the poster is.

Why? As far as I know, the only reason to use a sitemap is if something prevents spiders from crawling across your site? I can see how if your navigation is javascript - which I considered once - it would be helpful ... but for a static html site with clearly defined links, how does a sitemap affect yoru position in the serps?

**babychicken4u2** · 08-21-2007, 04:08 PM

Because the poster did not say how large the site they are inquiring about is...if it is over 100 URLs or more than 3 clicks deep a sitemap will benefit them greatly. Another additional benefit of a Google sitemap is the ability to ping Google with a new sitemap when you add pages.
--Melanie

**gringo** · 08-22-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

I have an empty robots.txt file to prevent a bunch of 404s.

An empty robots.txt file that prevents 404s won't help establish a site in the SERPs, but I take your point

**ForrestCroce** · 08-22-2007, 02:49 PM

Yeah, you're right ... it has nothing to do with search ranking. It's mainly a bandwidth and server overhead thing ... I built a 404 page with all the same markup as the ugly template on the rest of my pages, with some text and images trying to get the user to poke around ... a 'bot is just going to see the status code and ignore the content. So a 0-byte file is less work than a 404. More important, when a real not found issue pops up, I need to figure out why...

I don't have a sitemap. I'm open to trying one if it can help my rankings, although I don't see how that's possible?

I guess to get back to the original question, it's a complicated one. Improving your serps position takes time, good content, a little bit of promotion, and more. Knowing more about the site would make it easier to come up with a useful answer.