Suggestions and Feedback

**jamestl2** · 11-08-2007, 01:29 PM

I made a brief mention of these add-ons in the “What is TP” thread (Wasn’t sure how much they were looked into), but I suppose I could go into more detail of what I feel would be a nice addition to the system Webmaster-Talk already has.

Display Talkupation comments:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=91685

This forum plugin would post the talkupation comments we give out, and who we give them to. It is displayed in a similar fashion to the “Latest Talkupation Received” section of the UserCP, so we could keep track of who we give them too. One more bonus feature of this extension includes the fact that it displays our talkupation power, so we will know just how much TP we give out.

Extending talkupation display:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=97777

With this feature, a whole new "Golden" section of pips could be added to the end of our current TP ranking. It also offers “Stars”, which are basically a received once you reach a certain number of TP points, then the pip count starts over. I suppose this add-on is more customizable, the admins could choose just how high they want the system to go.

What does everyone else think of these plugins?

**serandfae** · 11-11-2007, 01:15 PM

Whym and I were talking about this via PM earlier...personally I don't think the extra bells and whistles are necessary. TP is really just an approximation of reputation for newbies to gauge the validity of advice given; past a certain point it becomes superfluous. I like the system as it is, and I'd find the other additions distracting from the discussions themselves.

**ADAM Web Design** · 11-11-2007, 05:47 PM

I like the second one. I've been stuck at this **** 11 square thing for months now.

Seriously, I don't think it would make a great deal of difference one way or the other. If I want to know how much TP I give out one way or the other, I hover over the user's Talkupation, see the number, give the TP, refresh, repeat steps 1-2 and subtract the two numbers (that's a lot easier to do than explain.)

**serandfae** · 11-11-2007, 10:07 PM

Adam, you're going to rule TP no matter what....

I do like the Talkupation given option.

**jamestl2** · 11-11-2007, 10:20 PM

Yeah, the second option I thought would be more just for fun. The first one though would probably be more practical because of the extra options it would give us (viewing our power, and who we give TP to, etc.)

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

If I want to know how much TP I give out one way or the other, I hover over the user's Talkupation, see the number, give the TP, refresh, repeat steps 1-2 and subtract the two numbers (that's a lot easier to do than explain.)

I know what you mean, I've done the same thing. But with the plugin, it makes it much simpler to view our TP power.

**CSS4Life** · 11-14-2007, 03:01 AM

As serandfae said, talkupation's primary role is to show who is reliable and who isn't.

It tends to do that OK, although I think people (including myself) seem to have gone a bit mad giving out TP for anything recently.

I wouldn't really be bothered if the 1st one came in though - I might use it now and again

**jamestl2** · 11-14-2007, 04:19 PM

Another reason I suggested it is because WT is one of the best forums that implements the reputation system (along with everything else WT offers

). And it may seem to some like the plugins were created for just this type of system.

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Originally Posted by whym

It tends to do that OK, although I think people (including myself) seem to have gone a bit mad giving out TP for anything recently.

If that’s the case, then that’s actually all the more reason to add the 2nd one. It would spread the TP levels out more and give an even better understanding of who’s more helpful, for newer members, that is.

(Although I’m not quite sure about the “star” option it offers, that would probably just unnecessarily complicate things.)

**CSS4Life** · 11-14-2007, 04:59 PM

That's what I'm trying to say really - reputation goes so far, and then you get into the realms of the ridiculous.

Experienced members like myself or anyone in this thread know who to trust and who not to. Newbies though don't - talkupation is very useful for helping with this.

Once you start adding stars, golden bars, flashing lights and any number of other addons/extensions, it becomes MORE confusing than useful

**jamestl2** · 11-14-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by whym

Once you start adding stars, golden bars, flashing lights and any number of other addons/extensions, it becomes MORE confusing than useful

I agree, I don't think the TP system should be turned into a crazy, flashing circus of any sorts. I suppose I just liked the "golden pip" extension of that plugin, I don't think that feature confuses anything.

Well, maybe if there was a lot more TP out there, belonging to a lot more members, then the idea would probably be more useful, if it ever got out of hand and hundreds of members had crazy amounts. I suppose it's really not something to worry about right now.

But the first one would still be useful for everyone. And it doesn't add crazy flashing icons or anything like that, just an additional menu in the usercp.

**jamestl2** · 12-14-2007, 12:18 AM

I guess this idea is dead then?

Do note though that I didn't really care *too much* about the second one, but I do think the "Display Talkupation Comments" Plugin could still be very useful, as it tracks not only who we give TP to, but also displays our current TP power (instead of doing all kinds of crazy math in our heads

).

**chrishirst** · 12-14-2007, 09:52 AM

not dead but under review

**jamestl2** · 12-15-2007, 08:43 PM

OK, thanks for the update Chris.

On a side question though, how do you know whether the suggestions are "under review" or not? Do you just lock the threads that aren't under anymore?

Or just post and tell "Thanks for the suggestion, but everything's just fine the way it is now."?

**chrishirst** · 12-17-2007, 02:13 PM

Someone will post here with what decision was made.

**fastreplies** · 12-17-2007, 06:56 PM

I would definitelly remove restrictions on frequency and amount of TPs I must
spread in between and within 24 hours.

Why restrictions and why should you wait 24 hours if you like some posts?

On one hand it says spread but when you try, it says you had it enough for one day.
It doesn’t make any sense

fastreplies

**CSS4Life** · 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fastreplies

I would definitelly remove restrictions on frequency and amount of TPs I must
spread in between and within 24 hours.

Why restrictions and why should you wait 24 hours if you like some posts?

On one hand it says spread but when you try, it says you had it enough for one day.
It doesn’t make any sense

The whole purpose of spreading TP around more and restricting it from being given out too much is to keep the system sustainable. If there were no restrictions, the system would be far worse that it is right now. Spreading it around and having time restrictions stops it from being abused and ending up that most members have very good reputations, even if they haven't made that many posts. There are now members with under 100 posts but with more than 1 bar of TP (even more than that sometimes) - very different from what it was only a couple of months ago.

In general, TP is being given out for just any old post and this is clearly not sustainable or healthy for the forum

**jamestl2** · 12-22-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by whym

The whole purpose of spreading TP around more and restricting it from being given out too much is to keep the system sustainable. If there were no restrictions, the system would be far worse that it is right now. Spreading it around and having time restrictions stops it from being abused and ending up that most members have very good reputations,

Agree with everything said up to here, but..........

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Originally Posted by whym

even if they haven't made that many posts. There are now members with under 100 posts but with more than 1 bar of TP (even more than that sometimes) - very different from what it was only a couple of months ago.

Here is where I think we disagree, post count should not be an issue if the poster has made *quality posts*. Some members with less than 100 posts may be a lot more helpful than members with a ton of posts. Take Vasity for example, that guy had over 500 posts, and gave out lots of bad, misinformative posts. Compare him to someone like Moxxnixx for example, who has roughly half as many posts, but helps out others and gives good advice and input to new members, and TP reflects that.