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Old 10-31-2007, 08:05 PM Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Help, I am drowning in Google. I hope someone can help me here.

My website has been crawled by Google several times now. I have tons of links to other pages within my website and tons of links that point to pages off of my website. The links that point to pages within my website (other pages authored by me) are contained within buttons at the top of my page, but are also duplicated as text links at the very bottom of my page.

Here is my problem: Google (nor any other crawler I have seen) has been able to see any of these webpages. According to Google webmaster, I only have my 1 page. My splash page if you will. But my website is much more than just one page.

Why does Google or any other crawler not see them, and how can I get all of my pages to be seen by Google as one whole website? Any help is appreciated. Thank you!

Oh and my website can be found here if that helps anyone. Thanks!
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:57 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Well you've disabled right click so I can't get a look at your code - that would sort of help...

How long has your site been online?

P.S. it looks like a classic get rich quick scheme/scam thing - nothing personal, that's just what it seems like.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:35 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Well you've disabled right click so I can't get a look at your code - that would sort of help...
I wouldn't know what to look for, but can't you just go to View >> Page Source to view the code (assuming your using FF)?


The site's only around 3 months old. Also I see that you have more than just the homepage indexed:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...om&btnG=Search
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:46 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Do you use robots.txt by any chance?




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Old 11-01-2007, 12:28 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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http://www.secretsofwealthandprosperity.com/robots.txt

Nope, not guilty there.

Seriously, Jeremy, whym hit on your major issue. The reason your site isn't successful on Google (or anywhere else for that matter) is simply because it's destined to fail. The path you're on has been worn out completely by work at home moms, old folks trying to goose their pension incomes, unemployed Grade 5 graduates living at home, and others. It's nothing but a bunch of get-rich-quick, intentionally vague psychobabble designed to tug at the heartstrings of those who are too naive and "positive thinking" to realize that nothing is really being offered.

In other words, Google's telling you what the sane world would tell you if they stumbled upon your site...it offers nothing of any real value to anyone. It's crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. And no one in their right mind would believe for a second that you're a Successful Entrepreneur (mostly because anyone that successful wouldn't give a **** whether or not they were "drowning in Google.")
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:45 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Well you've disabled right click so I can't get a look at your code - that would sort of help...
In FireFox, go to Tools -> Options -> Content tab -> Advanced button next to 'Enable Javascript' check box -> uncheck Disable or replace context menus. A page will still trap the event and throw up an alert window, but when you click ok your right click menu pops up.

The code isn't the problem. It's not beautiful - inline style blocks, tables, empty spacer paragraphs, and such. But there are regular anchor tags with hrefs pointing to other pages, like resources.htm.

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Seriously, Jeremy, whym hit on your major issue. The reason your site isn't successful on Google (or anywhere else for that matter) is simply because it's destined to fail.
Let's take a step back and examine this.

There are very few links to your site, and if I'm understanding, they're mostly reciprocal? If so, those aren't valued much if at all by Google. Links are one of the most important pieces of the algorithm, how the computers decide where to rank different sites. I see them from a small handful of domains; there are a few directories, an article or two, and some blogspot accounts. These aren't hurting you, but they aren't helping you, either, from an SEO standpoint.

What you need, for a few different reasons, are "organic" links. Ones that other people put on their site, pointing at yours, without talking to you about it beforehand. First, these are generally harder to get, so they carry more weight with Google. As long as they come from a page Google already trusts. Unlike directory links, these are seen as endorsements for your site. Second, they take a lot less work on your part. Third, they're more likely to send traffic; people don't spend any time on most directories, and they don't click the links in articles looking for one.

Now ... people just aren't going to link to your site of their own accord. Whym and Adam went over why, but to drive the point home, most people think anyone who's telling them something is legitimate several times, knows it isn't. If people don't trust your offer, they won't recommend it to their readers.

It's a gross over-simplification to say links are the only thing that matters to Google or SEO in general. But from an algorithmic standpoint, they're the single most important general factor. They're a measure of popularity, even value, to computers that don't know what the text means. It looks like Google has decided from your link profile that your site just isn't important enough to justify much space in Google's index.

Getting external, one-way links to your inner pages will help somewhat. But that will change the situation from Google not knowing about those pages, to them only coming up when someone searches for the page title in quotes. You can put a 'deep' link in your signature here, but signature links honestly don't have much SEO value.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:26 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Jeremy the issue was your site was simply new. Crawling and indexing are two separate things. Just because a bot crawls your site it still takes a little time for the search engine to index your content.

I'm seeing 4 pages right now when I do a site: search with the www in your domain and 9 when i do the same site: search without the www.

You should have one (the non www or the www) pointing to the other. Pointing domain.com to www.domain.com is more common, but either way is fine. The important thing is to make sure one points to the other using a 301 redirect.
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:52 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Vangogh, I've just got to mention the spelling mistake of "knew" on your first line

My advice to you overall: scrap the site. I went there a very long time ago and I lost a bit of money on Adwords and didn't make a penny. I was about 13 or 14 at the time - thankfully I've matured since and realised that very few people get rich quick - it is usually only when someone has a revolutionising idea such as the guy who 1st came up with 1 million pixel web sites.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:20 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Thank you for all of your help. Well most of it. That did answer some of my questions.

First off let me just say that the business I am in is far from a get rich quick scheme or crazy opportunity, and by the responses of many of you telling me that the page looked like that, tells me I need to reformulate the page. I am acctually very successful at what I do, I just suck at designing webpages and internet stuff. Taking this business online is a new venture for me.

Now most of my questions has been answered about Google; However I tried to crawl my website ussing just a general free crawler on the internet, and I got the same problem. None of my other pages come up vua the links.

In answer to FastReplies: No I did not use Robots.txt. I am affraid I don't even know what that is. Would you tell me?

On a further note to Adam Webdesign (I feel that I can speak to you a tad bit differently because you really did not contribute much to this discussion anyway. Except critiscism): Well thank you for expressing your opinion. It does let me know that I do have to change my website a bit.

You also had said "no one in their right mind would believe for a second that you're a Successful Entrepreneur (mostly because anyone that successful wouldn't give a **** whether or not they were "drowning in Google.")". That is an interesting statement. You see the fact is, I am very successful; Just not great at the inetrnet stuff yet. But I am trying and learning. My Webpage is a first for me. I would ask you a question though: Are you successful? Do you even know what that means or what that is?
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:51 AM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Another question: Do you think it might help if I manually submit each individual page with Google on Google Webmaster?

Thanks again for all of your help!
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:13 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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I was just about to mention a few things myself if that's okay. First though, if google will let you, then there can be no harm in submitting each page individually.

I agree with most of the statements above, and after looking through your site, I have noted a few things which I hope will be informative for you (from someone who has read all get rich quick websites out there). I know you are saying that your site isn't, but I think the first point will explain what I mean;

1. Move the first page onto another page and link it from the Articles & PR. This page, although full of information, is what is making people think 'get rich quick'. It is the same textual format and layout of everything else out there.

2. Your blog is good. Very good. You supply information that is not available elsewhere on the internet, and you are keeping it personal. This is how your first page should be.

3. I see that you have a link to the BBB. Use it! Find out what information it contains about your business and put this information on your front page. But in your own words.

4. Photographs are great, but I think you should keep them to the Contact page but together with a few quotes rather than spread through the text.

5. Colours and different sized text IS visually grabbing, but not visually appealing and, again, everyone does this.

Basically you have a good business as you are successful and you need the website to reflect that and not copy everything else out there.

I hope this helps and doesn't sound like a complete 'shredding' of your site. For your first website, it is truly excellent and far better than my first (several) websites!
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:35 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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First off let me just say that the business I am in is far from a get rich quick scheme or crazy opportunity, and by the responses of many of you telling me that the page looked like that, tells me I need to reformulate the page. I am acctually very successful at what I do, I just suck at designing webpages and internet stuff. Taking this business online is a new venture for me.
Whether you're successful or not really isn't our business. If you are, congratulations, and I hope you're enjoying it. But what sounds like criticism is really people who know the internet stuff pretty well telling you why, in peoples' opinions, you're having trouble in Google.

I'm glad you took the criticism mainly as it was intended. Many of us think the stuff that was pointed out is standing in the way of your online goal. Changing what gives some of us the heeby jeebies is the best thing you can do. Once you've done that, you should head over to the web site review forum. Communication is a two way street, and it's important to know how it's being received.

What VanGogh pointed out about the www and non www is actually an important point. And one I didn't check. It looks to Google like your web site has two addresses, and they assume that means something funny going on. It also means you're dividing your reputation with search engines between them. Set up some 301 redirects, and that will help somewhat.

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In answer to FastReplies: No I did not use Robots.txt. I am affraid I don't even know what that is. Would you tell me?
Here's an article, and some more. Google and other search engines use robots, or software tools, to crawl your site. A robots.txt file can give them some guidance.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:41 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Have you considered paying for advertising? There are many different avenues you can investigate, Google Adwords being one (this is pay per click advertising). When you perform a search in Google, the links down the right hand side are where the Adwords are displayed.

In your subject area, the cost per click will be pretty high though.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:50 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Thank you all for your continued comments. You have all been very helpful. I think I am going to be spending most of today (and probably all night) changing my website around. Any more comments would be appriciated. Thank you FoxII and ForrestCroce for your observations, they will help me a lot.

One more question though. How do I do a 301 redirect? Again sorry I am new to all of this this. Learning as I go!

Thank you again
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:22 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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I found this one for you. I think you should be able to follow it. Well, if I can then I'm sure you can

http://www.webconfs.com/how-to-redirect-a-webpage.php
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:53 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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I've also written an article on 301 redirecting that I recommend IF you are using a Linux server - if it's Windows then this method won't work. Anyway, here's the link:

http://www.danlprice.co.uk/2007/09/1...w-redirecting/

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Old 11-01-2007, 02:03 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Another question: Do you think it might help if I manually submit each individual page with Google on Google Webmaster?
Not in the slightest. Sorry, but Google doesn't seem to care about manually submitted web sites. They prefer to discover them through IBLs. Anyway, I think they only have a form to add a site, not a page, right?

I'm gonna third the suggestion to use redirects. In fact, you might be suffering the duplicate content penalty. I think that's more likely than suffering a new site. If the same thing lives at domain.com and www.domain.com Google will see it as duplicate content, and assume it's spam. It's actually really dumb that they can't tell www is the same thing, but alas, they don't or can't.

What type of server do you use? If it's IIS I can help you, but if it's Unix and Apache that's not my area. But if that's what youre using, go to Whym's site, he has a tutorial on how to set up the reidrects.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:13 PM Re: Help, I am drowning in Google!
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Just to echo 'get rich quick' subject. If you go to our Directory submission form and read Guidelines, you'll see it says: 'No get rich quick' sites. We're probably the only directory who reject this sort of sites and there is good reason why. Actually there is more than one reason but this is just for you to think about nature of your site and why Google maybe not so excited about your site content either.

Guys here are telling you about 301 redirect from domain.tld to www.domain.tld and this is how you should do it. Add to your <head> portion, right under your site Title
<base href="http://www.secretsofwealthandprosperity.com /">

And finally. Your site has been shouting at your visitors with h1 ‘Seeking Serious Entrepreneurs’ and undermines your general message not to mention it looks amateurish.

Move your family picture to the top with description who you are next to it and under that put your slogan. And break your index page in a few individual pages. I got tired to read before I got to the middle.

If I were you, I would hire web designer to build for me professional looking website in order for me to succeed online in the industry that has bad rap.


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I'd also just like to add to this - shorten the front page CONSIDERABLY.

Whenever I see a money-opportunity site with a huge sales letter (get rich quick jargon there), I think "another get rick quick scam". If you really are very successful at this, then you should hire a web designer to do the web site for you
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Hey Dan,

It looks like I beat you post by a couple of minutes


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